Pro-LGBTQ+ California flag redesign
By - ringosnose_in_my_bum
Welp. We got outjerked
Just re-do the wording in Comic Sans
You should cross over to r/vexillologycirclejerk king we love this shit
It was and it made r/all.
how am i supposed to appreciate a cali flag design with no bear
“How can you enjoy this? There’s no bear”
WE DON'T WANT ANYMORE BEARS!
There's a joke about manly gays here.
They’re planning on replacing the bear with a twink
But every twink needs his bear
A real missed opportunity to use an entirely different kind of ‘bear’
Well it was originally supposed to be a pear.
There are lots of bears🏳️🌈🏳️🌈🍆🥵
the bear is also nonbinary and very gay and went to date the flower on the mississippi flag
Ok but why is it CCP
Because literally china
Do you have any idea how different California is (politically or otherwise) from Mainland China?
They probably don't. For an example, China is this beautiful country where everyone is happy and California is just another place in AmeriKKKa **/s**
For real though, California is paradise on Earth in comparison to China. For starters, you don't get put in jail for disagreeing with the government.
Also they don't ban Trans and gay people in California lmao
Why am I looking at a pro LGBTQ Chinese flag, feels like an oxymoron
didn’t the Chinese government force a company to rehire a trans woman who got fired after coming out?
Edit: Downvote me all you want for contradicting your pre existing opinions with facts
you know its completely legal to be gay in china, right?
like it is completely legal to be gay in the bible belt
Legally speaking, yes
You even can get married to the same gender in Kentucky, in Asia however, only Taiwan will let you
not saying anything about the acceptance, just that its literally legal
Did you even read the table at the end of the article?
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ok, so because i state an objective fact, im immidiately a tankie? fucking epic
Like it's legal go be gay in Russia
yeah? technically it is, so whats your point
Go fly the pride and trans flag in front of the Kremlin. You will be jailed immediately for spreading "gay propaganda"
again, im not talking about acceptence. all that i am saying, is that same-sex activities are legal
Yeah America totally doesn’t put people in jail or kill them for disagreeing with the government,look at how all those civil rights leaders totally died peacefully in their sleep and black lives matter organizers totally weren’t lynched
China does sit on a much MUCH larger scale
That does happen in China either ffs
It’s called a joke
Pretty sure it was a joke
Because why the hell not, ya know? I feel like you should toss in a hammer and sickle, as well as Chevez’s eyes in the background watching you like big brother
I'll explain the conspiracy for you. China would fund this in order to weaken the west in the culture war against them, or something along those lines as I understand.
Because it's the woke lib Californian Communist Party
I didn't even notice that and it's the cherry on top of this mess lmao
Lol, that would be at least half of this sub here.
This is so awful, i love it. It's the perfect shitpost
Check out his comments, he’s really dedicated to the troll
this breaks nearly every rule of vexillology
screw the rules, u/ringosnose_in_my_bum has money
Screw the money, I have rules! ... wait lemme try that again.
And green hair
rules are for nerds
Wait I thought we're all nerds here
Unlike the actual flag of California?
There are no issues with the flag of California in Ba Sing Se
I mean without the text, the california flag is perfectly fine.
“Rules of vexillology” applying something as arbitrary as “rules” to something as subjective as flag and design taste is the reason why this sub sucks.
"The code is more what you'd call guidelines, than actual rules"
So does Maryland’s. Honestly, I want to see this artistic savant’s take on that flag.
But Maryland's flag is visually appealing and this is not
Hell yes I want to see that too, I doubt he's gonna make that tho due to this...feedback he has gotten
Maryland's flag hardly breaks any rules. It's not simple, but that's it.
What do the stars top left mean? It reminds me of the Chinese flag
Tankies sadly a lot of people that are not leftists see and only see leftists as being tankies (not true) so associate leftist policies whith China when China is in no way progressive
Only in the Anglosphere for whatever reason. Europeans don't seem to suffer from this.
Yes fuck the system and fuck those that have got rich exploiting the poor
Absolutely, I hate all politicians.
Yes seems like a revolution is the only way to sort things out am I right?
I think there’s a big gap between “things aren’t too good right now” and “it’s all the governments fault, let’s overthrow it.”
Especially considering under communism most of us would either be thrown into a factory or a mine for worse pay and longer hours than we have now.
This is completely false lol. The whole reason people want communism is to have better conditions for the working class. Our society could perfectly function on a 4 day working week but the bourgeoisie does not want that as it may slightly decrease their profits.
When has communism ever brought better conditions for the working class?
Russia when Lenin implemented 8 hour working days, paid leave national holidays etc.
And how long did that last under communism? Especially once Stalin was in control?
the communism understander has logged on
Why are you anti-communist then
I'm more pro-personal growth than anti-communist. I feel if I lived in a communist society I'd be placed in some workforce where I'll be doing something I don't feel is very fun for the rest of my life and basically not living the way I want to. Please correct me if I'm wrong, it's not very broad, my POV of communism.
Communism doesn't advocate for people to be put into jobs they don't want to do. It's not like if you had a degree in teaching for example you'd be forced to work in a mine mining copper.
Also many of the resources for personal growth are simply gone. Opportunities were just never open for most people (especially in less well-off areas) and monopolies have taken over.
I mean, this is a very optimistic view of communism. It's not like in Mao's China farmers were all relocated to the steel industry, or like in the USSR many people with a degree ended up doing hand labor. Communism (as in Marxism-Leninism, ignoring the utopian definition of upper communism given by Marx) would mean you'd have a heavily centralized economy where basically the state manages all the resources; if more workers in a certain area were needed, any overcrowded area or unemployed would be put to work there, so if there were too many scientists don't think that they would put some of them to work producing steel or at a coal mine, whatever's needed.
This idea that in a communist system everyone would be able to work on whatever they want and be provided with their basic necessities by a state (or by, somehow, mutual accord among all members of society) is as utopian as the system itself. This idea is actually seen as something possible if full automatization was achieved, and we're far from that. If this was tried, you'd just have everything crumble because obviously nobody would have an interest on doing the hardest jobs and would rather focus on whatever they find more enjoyable, and people don't tend to find working at a factory or farming enjoyable, let alone if there's no real personal gain. It literally just takes looking at all the historical (and modern) examples of the implementation of communism to see how hard it failed as an economical system capable of consistently providing not only basic goods for people, but luxury goods as well.
Are you communist or anarchocommunist?
And many forms of communism wants to take away a common field of personal growth, faith and religion
You're describing capitalism. Leftism, in almost all its forms, fights for a society without a state where workers own the means of production (factories, i.e.). I thought the same way as you before I read any leftist material.
Capitalism creates a structure in society based around profit, and such, certain jobs are demanded of you. If you want to be an artist, good luck, because you're going to be starving. Even if you're an amazing artist. Yet, art brings value to our world, no? Music is an important part of a lot of people's lives, but contemporary pop is more "valuable" than any other genre. I mean, think about the insulin crisis, *that* is an artificial crisis *caused by capitalism-* we have plenty of insulin, it's cheap as hell to make, but the prices are sky-high because people will die without it.
To address your point of hating all politicians: I do too, and does it not seem reasonable that they are all corrupt because the framework which they advocate for is corrupt? No U.S. politician has ever been left of center besides Bernie Sanders, who was not advocating for anything "radical" or progressive compared to the rest of the world.
The goal of any Communist or Anarchist is the same (though they do not share the same philosophy on how to achieve that goal): A stateless, classeless society where the means of production are collectively owned. Instead of a CEO owning, say, some starbucks in Florida, the cashiers and baristas have a collective and they all pitch in and manage it together, and they all get the profits.
In saying this I am not advocating for any one branch of communism, anarchism, socialism, etc. or advocating for or against any prior states that may be referred to as communist. I want to educate people on the actual philosophy behind most leftism, because as a Westerner, I'm familiar with the blatant propoganda and just incorrect definitions.
Bruh, stateless, classless society is a utopian dream. In communism, state represents people. The state employee and bureacrats ends up becoming upper class. Not to mention the corruption. And dont tell me, you can just get a stateless, classless society after a revolution. Marx himself wrote that there will be phases, didnt he?
Look into distributism
if you’ve been oppressed by capitalists, of course you’re going to lean left at least somewhat
>lean left at least somewhat
it's not capitalism that oppresses them, it's politicians and the populus. Take any non-Conservative/republican/etc capitalist politician, what are they doing to oppress the LGBT?
Upholding capitalism, a system in which hierarchies and oppression is always going to exist. Fundamentally, you cannot have capitalism without exploitation, and that will almost always affect minority groups
Which is why we replace it with communism, where the top 1% now owns the entire country and can arrest you for no reason.
in a state-capitalist “marxist” form of communism, yeah perhaps that would happen.
anarcho-communism wouldn’t cause that to happen
libertarian socialism and other forms of communism also wouldn’t permit that.
I guess that’s why the anarchists and other forms of communism are the first to get purged after the revolution
pretty true yeah. tankies view anarchists as threats to their authoritarian system (which isn’t socialism btw, it’s just tyranny).
Can you expand on that, please
Capitalism will always have social stratification, wage slavery and economic exploitation. Those are fundamentals in the system. This is all exploitation. Capitalists extracting surplus value from the workers is exploitative.
When the capitalists search for profits and profits only, they cut corners. They try and keep their workers working at the worst conditions possible to stop them getting comfortable and rising up, but also at a level high enough to keep them in the job. This often comes at the expense of minority groups: those groups who have been targeted throughout history for being different, and going against the status quo of basically only white straight men working (i’m talking europe/america here, it’s different in other countries ofc).
When you build a system based on exploitation and hierarchies between worker and CEO, government and people, state and individual, you allow for other hierarchies to be built. Whites over blacks, straights over LGBTQ+, men over women.
To truly liberate everyone regardless of their sexuality, gender, skin colour or social status, you need to abolish capitalism, otherwise hierarchies will just be built up again with nothing to stop them.
This is true, this is why we need anarcho-capitalism where there'll be competition.
You’re kidding right
Yikes. Out of everything that you could've chose as an alternative, you really went for that?
identifying urself is basically holding a massive sign that says "i like kids" please think before you speak
I'm a leftist capitalist who wants to oppress people economically 😎 fuck you 😎
socialism with capitalist characteristics ‼️💯💯
I like the General Idea of this. The Execution is straight outta r/vexilologycirclejerk.
Why the chinese stars? That seems really out of place since China is very conservative.
Cuz communism or something (implying China is in any way communist).
True, China is an authoritarian capitalist state.
"Its comunism but with Chinese characteristics" lmao capitalism is Chinese I guess. I was pretty confident that capitalism was pretty distinctly an everyone problem.
Kind of yes, but also no? The Chinese economy is complicated, because it's mostly centralized, with the state owning 60% of the industry or so (either owned by the state directly or party members), and with most stuff subsidized. The government tends to move their spendings from one industry to another all the time because their economy is literally almost always about to collapse but it stands on its feet because of its sheer size. Apart from that, there's not really much freedom of investment, business, or labor for the average Chinese citizen... or freedom at all.
China could be defined as a mix between corporatism and state-capitalism. They sound similar and are a bit similar but not really: corporatism basically means that the economy is controlled by a combination of the government, business-owners and union or syndical leaders, where there's supposed to be reciprocal feedback among all three, and the government ultimately controls the economy in the larger margin, business-owners find the best way to respond to the government's demands and union leaders find the best way to manage the workers, their wages, and else.
State-capitalism is basically a market system where the state owns most if not all the means of production. It's not a free market and it's not competitive because since it's the state the one who owns most if not all of the businesses, it also controls the market and sets prices, sets wages and everything else. By the way, state-capitalism is pretty much an oxymoron really, just as anarcho-monarchism, because capitalism means the private ownership of the means of production in a competitive, free market where prices and wages are set by offer & demand.
So, China basically is a combination of these two, which leads it to have an economy similar to that of Nazi Germany. No, literally, it's similar to that of Nazi Germany, they even have slaves in their "re-education camps"; the difference is that, unlike China, Nazi Germany had welfare programs and the state tried to provide for its people (people = aryan germans, by Nazi standards), unlike China, where the state provides little to no welfare or assistance to their citizens; old people are left to rot if not cared by their family because they don't get a pension, people who suffer workplace accidents (which are extremely common) are usually ignored and even lose their jobs. China ends up being this weird sort of like, "market socialism" where the state controls everything pretty much but doesn't provide shit for its people. Also, similar to Nazi Germany, the Chinese government seems to favour Han people over every other ethnic group in the nation., and we know their treatment of Uyghurs.
Overall the Chinese economy is very regulated and unfree; China is not considered a "free" country in the Heritage Index for Economical Freedom, at all, being ranked in the 103rd place. Individual and political freedoms are also non-existent because China is the closest we've ever gotten to 1984 in real life, criticizing the government can hurt you socially and financially, and if you hold any amount of power it can land you in jail or dead, as it happened with dozens of millionaires and billionaires who criticized the Chinese government.
It's really funny when you compare China, which is a massive country with the highest population on Earth and the second biggest economy in the world with the two territories they lay claims on: Taiwan and Hong Kong. Similar to China, both nations have superb economies, but unlike China the average quality of life of their citizens is way better. Like China, they all come from the same historical background, but unlike China, they both keep old Chinese culture alive, and also unlike China, they don't have massive surveillance police states and have no need to constantly convince their people that everything they have is thanks to the state, because HK and Taiwan are free and democratic (well, HK isn't since it's been taken over by China), and the CCP realizes how bad this is, because it completely kills the propaganda they sell to their people because other nations managed to be better than China without the need of China's totalitarianism, and through democracy and freedom, rather than dictatorship and repression.
Anyway, thanks for coming to my TED talk.
Thanks for your explaination.
Absolutely not capitalist. The other guy said it better though.
When I said capitalist i meant that parts of the economy is privatly owned. I'm not saying that it is a free market system.
That's fair enough, just with the wording you used ("authoritarian capitalist state") implied the country as a whole is capitalist.
t. I don't know what capitalism is
Without googling it, define capitalism and socialism
Socialism is when the government does stuff, and the more stuff it does, the more socialister it is. And if it does a whole lot of stuff, it's communism.
On a real note, state capitalism is an oxymoron. Capitalism requires a free market.
Capitalism is the private ownership of the means of production. A free market is not a prerequisite
Those are no chinese stars tho. They're pink, they're only four and the smaller ones are all upright.
This is shit.
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Why did I have to scroll so far for this
Edit: also that looks ridiculous
Wow, this is Provo level crap, kinda burns into your memory for good. If this was intentional shitposting, I salute to you. If it was meant honestly, then...um...I appreciate that you spent time working on it.
And for some reason you also changed the star for the design of China (that is not even properly distributed) and added a weed plant.
We've been outjerked by a fucking mile right here
what the fuck
Good idea, not so good design
-Remove the stars, they are very easily mistaken for the stars on the Chinese flag, and I don’t think having a symbol of a totalitarian regime on an American state flag is a good idea.
-What does weed have to do with lgbt+? Removing the cannabis leaf might be a good idea
-Text on a flag, ew
-A better way to do this might be to keep the current flag, but replace the white background with pride colors, or something like that.
buddy i hate to break it to ya but uh..it's a shitpost
*Degenerates like you belong on a cross*
calling someone a degenerate and suggesting that they be executed (even in jest) for posting an LGBT flag _really_ isn't a good look... i get (or at least hope) that you didn't mean it like that and were just criticising the _awful_ design, but it's still an extremely poor choice of words
*I see you fight with words, like all beneath the flag of the Bear.*
Yikes sweaty thats not a good look for you 💅
bi gang rise up!
Should I add Bi-Colors
ad as meny pride flags as posible
This looks like shit
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Because tankies are so delusional that they’ve tricked themselves into thinking that an anti-LGBT country is somehow pro-LGBT.
That is, if this post isn’t a big troll.
China shut down LGBTQ wechat groups.
Why the Chinese stars, why weed, why would you put an obvious Socialist icon and have no red?
I mean, on an asthetic level it looks good, but I think you should do a bit more research, and once you do you can make something great.
OUTJERKED ONCE AGAIN
Do I have permission to print this on a flag to fly outside my house?
Go ahead, watch out for the trumpers!
Thanks! - They already stole my Newsom sign 😬. This time i'll be sure to fly higher than 6 feet so they cant reach it 🤣
They don't know how to social distance, 6 feet is perfect
Maybe i'll put up a Pelosi cutout to scare them off!
Cali has bear on the flag, "bear" is type of gay. How do you make lgbtqhaefuhf+ flag and take the bear out.
Stop being an asshole and use the right acronym
And witch one of the many Is it? Do i include 2S or A for allies? Or asex? Or Pansexuals? How about I?
Wich do i include to be the right acronym according to you?
the A in the acronym is NOT for "allies"
Its for both asex And allies asex And arantics, like T Stands from transvestite, transgender And transsex.
Edit: agender Is in A aswell.
Amazing argumentative ability. Definetly convinced that you were right.
its the internet bro nothing should be taken seriously
>the A in the acronym is NOT for "allies"
was meant to be a joke? Wow that is dry humor, dryer than Sahara after month without hand lotion.
Just stick with LGBT if you're gonna be a dick about it.
And exlude half of the comminity? No thanks.
Its meme how bad the "name" is. Its references as "alphabet mafia" by gays And bis And trans because Its stupid long, sounds terible And Is getting longer And longer.
Just say LGBT+ then everyone is included and it isn’t hard for people who somehow can’t remember to just add a Q+ and maybe more if they want.
"everyone Is included" well clearly not since they Felt the need to add multiple additional letters. Q Stands for queer Wich Is slur in some social circles So even if IT describes everyone "relevant" Its insulting to loads of them.
Im inclusive to groups that generaly dont get letter in alphabet mafia, why Is that such a problem to you.
Queer is not a slur anymore. Our community has reclaimed it and many of us identify with it. Myself included.
Why are you such a massive pillock?
Why do you care what pseudorandom sequence of letters i use.
You can't change the acronym every few years And expect people to just go with it. Its ACAB not ACAB one year And AC&P&DAB the next And AC&P&D+AB the next.
The moment "Q" was added there should be rebrand to just Q or Q+, Its short generic, queer Is not that strong slur And can be reclaimed
If LGBTQ+ wants to be called LGBTQ+ I call him LGBTQ+, did he do somethin bad to me to act like a wanker around him?
Dead simple, it's such a non issue fucking hell y y'all got to be such wankers
Most of the community just says LGBTQ or LGBTQ+. Don’t be an ass. Also, there’s no type of gay. Bears are a subculture that is pervasive throughout all of our community.
Yeah most of the comminity were Saint lgb but that exludes loads of oppresed/shamed people So they added. And it was lgbt for a while but that still exludes people. And clearly people feel excluded by lgbtq+, othervise they would not be adding A I 2s.... Just use whatever I And my homies use X you definetly should too Is not a good advice.
Bears being type vs subculture, sure. I can totally see why gays dont like being categorised as animal (even if bear sounds like awesome compliment).
It breaks all rules of vexillology but I kinda like it
As an ally, I feel like this would be a huge step in the LGBTQ+ Community. The first state flag to be LGBTQ+ Friendly.
Monumental shitpost OP. Well done!
If this is ironic its glorious
I appreciate the sentiment. But god fucking damn that is a clusterfuck of a flag
As if other US states' flags are any better lmao (not to say OP's is good)
Are you really saying that New Mexicos flag is bad?
I've never actually seen it before, looking at it now and I really like it. Wasn't expecting something this good
Yeah, I don't think it's a very good idea to take a bad flag and make it worse
I appreciate your commitment to the bit, I guess.
We like the idea, but we don't like the design.
But why China tho? They suppress any expression of sexual orientation.
Can't believe you forgot the *&, not very inclusive.
Can’t believe you forgot you aren’t funny