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SeaSnailSaturday

I know we're all enjoying getting a chance to dunk on the muskrat, but can we please stop going on about his daughter? She's been forcibly outed, has her paperwork spread all over the internet, and is being used as a prop against the father she's trying to separate herself from. No person should have to deal with this.


Ok_Skill_1195

I haven't seen anything connected to the actual person, you're 100% right that's fucked up. It's being doxxed and outted, simultaneously. (And having your messy family dynamics splashed on headlines -- poor kid.) The only component I think should be discussed is that Musk has been loudly publically transphobic while having a trans kid. Who that trans kid is or any aspect of their journey is uninteresting to me outside of the confirmation that Musk is a terrible father and human being. Like, looking up what they're changing their name to defeats the *entire* purpose, as now the new name will come up related to Musk when you Google it. Shame on anyone posting their info.


DukeOfGeek

So the Muskrat is the Muskrat but he has racked up a list of powerful enemies, fossil fuel cartels, cable companies, he beat Bezos out of a contract and embarrassed him and that's just off the top of my head. I don't think any of those types care much about causing distress to a vulnerable teenage girl, I mean the fossil fuel tycoons will kill the future of the planet for a dollar. So sure you can get regular people to care about not outing her but they aren't really the biggest power putting this at the top of every sub reddit they can.


Noisy_Toy

It’s also not really hard to imagine that a *lot* of journalists probably have saved searches for legal notices relating to any members of his family. She had to file with the court to change her name, and name changes are public. He’s an asshole with enemies, but you don’t have to be powerful or big to have caught the scoop and found it newsworthy. Hypocrisy makes for great headlines.


killing31

Those powerful people don’t need to put it at the top of every sub. We lowly peasants hate Elon just fine.


DukeOfGeek

Sure sure, but I hate the Sackler Family or Robert Mercer just as much and you don't see 25 articles about them on here a day. My CNN feed had like two articles about him today. You sometimes see stuff about the Koch brothers or George Soros on here or on the news because they have political enemies though. **My point is you don't see anti-billionaire stuff in the media because we hate them, you see it because they fucked with other rich people.**


killing31

Yes, unfortunately that’s how our capitalist society works. But Elon is a huge piece of shit and I enjoy the media rightfully exposing him as a horrible father and human.


Desperate-Ad-4536

Idk, the post doesn't give her name. What I mean is, we can focus on Elon Musk being transphobic and leave his daughter alone, you know what I mean?


SeaSnailSaturday

I feel like mentioning her at all is, unfortunately, encouraging people to look into her. So yeah, we should focus on Elon Musk being transphobic, as you said.


scvfire

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ghtuy

And you just named her specifically


rabbitluckj

Well I didn't know her name until now....maybe edit your post


acewithaclub1

She's actively trying to distance herself from her father, and clearly doesn't want to be a public figure. You should maybe edit the comment and get rid of the name. She deserves privacy, even if most people won't give it to her


cha0s_g00se

Well thanks for connecting her again, by literally saying her name. You’re so absolutely helpful


yahwol

oh boo fucking hoo to the daughter of a man worth 200 billion dollars boo fucking hoo


Lipstickluna97

You’re an absolute moron lol


yahwol

literally explain


Vord_Loldemort_7

She’s trying to separate herself completely from him. She’s getting no benefits from his wealth and I doubt she’ll even see a penny of it when the muskrat finally drops.


ImlrrrAMA

I don't think she's volunteering to be removed from any benefit of being a child of one of the world's wealthiest people. Just name and gender. Not that it really matters. Tons of more egredious rich kids to hate on.


Any_Drama3272

When you are estranged from a parent, legally you are written out of the will. I can attest to this because I too am a child of someone in the 1% and was disowned by my family. There is a law explicitly about estrangement , if you say in any format you want nothing to do with a parent, or refuse to communicate, or they to you, then you are estranged — and inheritance does in fact pass over you. So yes, her public statement is absolutely enough. It is possible to come from a very wealthy family and end up in poverty. For example, I was homeless living out of my car while my father lived pretty comfortably in a multimillion dollar house, spent more of the year out of the country than in the country, and had enough in the bank to pay off all of my student loans to zero for my own hard earned degrees within 24 hours. Just because one or both parents are rich does not mean you are.


lolyidid

I can’t imagine her family doesn’t have any wealth if her mom was once married to Elon and then divorced.


Vord_Loldemort_7

Is she gonna be living with her mom?


yahwol

you gonna forget the two decades before she their relationship took a tumble which she totally definitely didn't live lavishly and totally hasn't been given insane amounts of wealth because child support from a billionaire is generally really big, totally isn't entitled to any money whatsoever


Vord_Loldemort_7

Me when a minor has the audacity to be born to a rich narcissist


yahwol

me when that happens to a minor and they act exactly like their parents and continue to hoard their wealth without a single penny towards charity


SeaSnailSaturday

My brother in Christ what are you talking about that is entirely a strawman you made up in your head to get angry at


yahwol

are you actually joking or just blindly repeating cool internet phrases, let me explain to you better be born rich, acquire lotta money from billionaire dad, be as selfish and as bourgeoise as them, cut ties with dad. what is there to not understand, this happens with every single child of rich parents (minus the last part), and there is zero to none evidence of her being any different


KavikStronk

Oh wow the child didn't give to charity, let's doxx them while they're trying to remove themselves from the family.


yahwol

they're an adult??? and I literally just do not care about the billionaire's lovechild, lol


TrapDatOwO

She was just outed as trans when her dad is very transphobic. She's definitely getting disowned and she very explicitly disowned him. She's not only getting **none** of his money but his wealth also pushes her into the public eye meaning she's getting a lot of serious online hate that any other person wouldn't get.


yahwol

sure she isn't getting any but she definitely already had some of his money, and even the smallest sum of "some" is still at worst several million


Any_Drama3272

Uh no.


balrus-balrogwalrus

isn't grimes and musk a pair of pokemon


jtexaschainsaw

Naur it's what you clean off the floor.


Lily-Fae

Or the toad from Amphibia


XenosHg

Elon Musk's child wants to change their name, and it's not even the one called XA412E ?


newtsheadwound

Pretty sure the second one is still an infant or small toddler so I don’t think they’ll be thinking anything about their name for a hot minute


Xurkitree1

i'm pretty sure that's his 5th


strangeperception-

7th


ediblesprysky

Wikipedia says 8, but one is deceased. Which... is a lot, on every level.


strangeperception-

He has 8 but they were talking about the 7th


ReasyRandom

...We need to neuter him...


magikot9

Right after Nick Cannon. Pretty sure that dude just shows up a woman's house with a positive pregnancy test and an onboarding packet at this point.


newtsheadwound

I meant the second one the poster mentioned lol


gaming-gam3r

X Æ A-12


thundar00

it's kyle written in what elon thinks are alien symbols.


atomic_mermaid

That isn’t the kids real name, it’s just the silly made up one they told the public.


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Futuristick-Reddit

Begone, bot


communitymembor

I think Elon is enough of an narcissistic douchebag to not even know his kid is trans, he probably doesn't even care about his children besides giving them money


LilGhostSoru

Elon even forgets about his current child. Wouldn't be surprised if he didn't even know that the trans kid existed until this whole action resurfaced


Umklopp

>Elon even forgets about his current child. What makes you say that? (I believe it 100%; I just feel like hate reading)


LilGhostSoru

I can't bother searching for it but there was a moment where interviewer asked about Elons child and he paused for a long moment as if to remember when the interviewer is talking about


PineappleNerd66

Tbf it was the latest kid with the ridiculous name that I don’t think he’s ever officially states the pronunciation for but it wouldn’t surprise me if he completely forgot


Ok_Skill_1195

The impression I got from some interviews he and Grimes gave (separately) is that they had *texted* this conversation initially. The weird to pronounce part is Grimes' portion, so it probably didn't occur to him to bother asking too much more about it. He's now embarrassed because they accidentally confirmed they were pronouncing it differently, giving a oddly authentic peek into their weird relationship where he is apathetic at best. (I also fully believe the story where Grimes is trying to defend that Musk isn't a spoiled billionaire, he lives very simply. But she accidentally just reveals he's a douchebag who, when she told him her half of the bed was *broken* and painful to lay in, his response was to tell her she could bring a mattress from her house. I get he's had trouble getting cash from his Tesla stocks without crashing them, but the man had *new mattress* money)


strangeperception-

She's also the same person that willingly lived in a "crack den," "where she got frostbite twice and her neighbor was bludgeoned to death in the hallway"


Umklopp

Le sigh... He really is absolutely the worst. I wouldn't be shocked if Grimes was essentially co-parenting with the nanny. I have no idea what she thought she saw in that man.


ittybittykitty2

I watched a met gala behind-the-scenes of Grimes getting ready (I think 2021) and she said she “doesn’t feel like a mother” and that even her kid “senses that she doesn’t see herself as such” and so the kid instinctively doesn’t call her mom and doesn’t treat her like a mom, and calls her by her name. I don’t know if that has improved at all but it made me sad to think a baby could sense how she didn’t want to participate as his official mother. So…I don’t know who’s parenting the babies (now that they have two) full time but I hope those kids are doing ok. Edit: wording was weird :)


Afraid-Ice-2062

They have two kids not one Grimes and Musk have two kids


ittybittykitty2

The met gala was from when they had one. But I’ll correct the last part to make it plural.


plushelles

I thought it was just the one kid. I’m losing my fucking mind rn.


Umklopp

Pitiful. Hopefully she was at least thinking "but I make a great cool aunt!" I mean, a lot of the "rules" about parenting revolve around making sure your kid is a good person. All it takes to give them a happy childhood is to ensure that they know you value and love them as an individual.


Iamtheonewhobawks

I genuinely thought Grimes was like 20ish when she was pregnant with Password and was gonna comment something about how someone that young probably has a little more growing up to do etc. I googled her to get the exact age. Grimes is 34. Jfc what the hell, lady?


meliketheweedle

Password? Do they have another kid or is this just a fun name for x ae alphabrain?


Iamtheonewhobawks

It's real hard to get Password's real name past autocorrect


blayana881

Money


Umklopp

Probably. Smh


mpm206

I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't give them money either.


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Noisy_Toy

She’s changing both.


crossingpins

>Elon is enough of an narcissistic douchebag to not even know his kid is trans I think he's probably enough of a narcissistic douchebag to not even know all of his kids' names.


RandySavagePI

Or maybe he does and hates that they're trans.


nimby900

Elon Musk has like, 8 kids between 3 women.


rootingforthedog

First 5 are from 2 pregnancies. Set of twins and a set of triplets.


zuppaiaia

Oh dear that poor woman.


PorkChopALaMolotov

Five kiddos and stuck with Musk, she deserves a statue.


R4ndom_Usern4me

wait so is she changing her first name and surname in one go or did she already change her first name and is now changing her surname?


ulyssessword

From [the link above](https://www.reuters.com/world/elon-musks-child-seeks-name-change-sever-ties-with-father-2022-06-21/), it sounds like first name, surname, and gender recognition all at once.


ReasyRandom

Good for her.


UncleSlippyFist

Taking control of your life and identity WR SR 100%


RachelProfilingSF

Why are we surprised that an obscenely wealthy rich bitch (who's money came from slavery and who hates workers for trying to earn a pittance more from his hoard of wealth) is a piece of shit when it comes to basic human dignity and kindness?


svenson_26

Oh, we're not surprised. I just prefer to never pass up on an opportunity to expose low-life assholes like him.


fabulousmountain

> show me how you haven't read a word about musk w/o telling that you haven't a word about musk.


RachelProfilingSF

Oh I’m sorry. I should have said Apartheid instead of slavery. It’s so much easier for musky fanboys and capitalist snowflakes to hear. Black people weren’t slaves they just got treated vastly worse than whites by a political system created and controlled by former slave owners. Elon merely inherited a vast fortune from his father who supported and profited off of Apartheid labor. Elon doesn’t hate workers rights, he just spends a lot of time ensuring that employees of a company he didn’t create never get to have a larger share of the enormous profits, so he can go to space and use said profits to take a controlling share of a social media platform so people can’t say bad things about him and then complain about free speech.


My_BFF_Gilgamesh

How come we're making that distinction all the time with musk but not all the American silver spooner's? Jim crow isn't too far off.


meliketheweedle

We shouldn't be, we also shouldn't be saying slavery ended. (Inv servitude) Also, Did you know that when the amendment for slavery was passed, it didn't come with a punishment? You could still have slaves til the government caught up with you, they'd free the slaves, but the slaver wouldn't be punished.


RachelProfilingSF

Oh the other silver spooners should be worried too:; the tiny dick Orange Hitler, the Walton cesspool, etc. Anyone care to make a list of rich bitches that should be forced into poverty?


Vord_Loldemort_7

He won’t see this


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You just did a great job of that by defending him against valid criticism.


somebastard3118

I feel so bad for her, first she has to deal with her shitty father, now she has to deal with the fact that the whole internet knows about her transition


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pupperonipizzapie

Your post was the first time I've heard her name. Had no idea before that. Maybe edit it out. EDIT: The article from Reuters even says "her new name was redacted from the online form" and doesn't list it. You should definitely take your own advice and remove her name.


Jacques_Lafayette

Idk, the post doesn't give her name. What I mean is, we can focus on Elon Musk being transphobic and leave his daughter alone, you know what I mean?


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Cosmocall

You're responding to a bot. They keep posting this same comment from different users all the way down this thread


jtexaschainsaw

Sorry, thanks. I'm new here.


JustHereForStorytime

you should probably edit your comment to remove her name tho. like nobody had to search anything to read your comment specifically naming her. your comment is linking her far more than people calling out elon's transphobia. acting as if people should just not pay any attention to the transphobia for hypocritical reasons seems exactly what *elon* wants.


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JustHereForStorytime

nobody is using her as cannon fodder. simply mentioning that he has a trans daughter doesn't "expose" her or anything. stop accusing me of using trans people as props when that's exactly what *you're* doing, including the fact that *you're* the one that actively named her. you mean the tweets specifically already mentioned in the post? the tweets that are being directly connected to the fact that his daughter is trans and are *the entire point*?


NOT_an_ass-hole

i didnt know her name until you said it, i agree with what youre saying but if nobody knows her name shes still disconnected


amachinesaidiwasgood

True: https://www.reuters.com/world/elon-musks-child-seeks-name-change-sever-ties-with-father-2022-06-21/


Tinkerballsack

You don't get rich by being a good person.


ElPenguinoooo

It's the modern "damn kids, get off my lawn."


Lenni-Da-Vinci

Don’t forget, one of his children died as an infant. But to give the man some credit, he did kind of care about his kids until ~2017 when he really took off.


LiterallynamedCorbin

I didn’t know they were trans, I thought it was just Elon naming his kids weird shit and they hated the name


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killing31

Add some dessert recipes and it sounds like the perfect sub.


meliketheweedle

"pronouns suck" They do (not for the reason musk says) Suppose we have uhh Mike and musk. Mike and musk both Id as males (he him his).Mike thinks pronouns lead to a lack of clarity in writing , musk hates trans people. Now with pronouns: Mike and Musk both think pronouns suck. He thinks that they can make writing unclear, but he thinks that trans people are bad. Two people, two opinions.... One word to refer to them both. I challenge anyone who reads this to write using fewer pronouns.


GunpowderLad

Nah, you're just bad at writing.


whoatherebuddychill

well that's just bad english anyways! pronouns aren't a one-stop shop for replacing someone's name


TheRubyScorpion

Well sure, if you have no idea how to use pronouns. You only use them when it's clear which person you are talking about. Commonly, the name is used first, then a pronoun. For example. Mike thinks pronouns suck, because he thinks they lead to lack of clarity in writing. Musk thinks pronouns suck because he doesn't like trans people. That's pretty clear who each he refers to. Because that's how you actually use pronouns. Also, they is a pronoun and you used it outside of your example so, you don't know what pronouns even are. (You and your are both pronouns too btw)


shin_scrubgod

That's not pronouns being bad, that's just bad writing. It's like saying screwdrivers suck after swinging one at a nail. If for some reason you had to keep that same structure and also can't refer to them by name again, you could just use something like "the former" and "the latter."


Vord_Loldemort_7

Epic literacy moment


theboten

Bot and bots friend went on a walk bots friend bought bots friend an ice-cream and then bots friend laser eyed bots friends ice cream. I is also a pronoun. does the person I am replying to see how something that was a very simple sentence became a mess once bot stopped using pronouns?


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ritualblaze420

Weird you wouldn't consider the transphobia a big reason to the trans person, but it's clear you don't respect who people know they are anyway. Your comment is bad and you should reconsider your stance on respecting that people know who they are more than you, and maybe do some confirmation-bias-avoiding research into the subject so you don't do this nastiness again, intentionally or otherwise.


SatanGod69361

I don't blame musk in the slightest.


Vord_Loldemort_7

Elaborate maybe


No_League_8804

Lol, I heard that grimes eats her own children....you guys are funny and know absolutely nothing about ANY of them other than what you read.


AquaticAntibiotic

Except the public does know a lot about Musk because he regularly gives his thoughts and opinions in public.


No_League_8804

No, you know what is reported and some twitter traps that get you all riled up and make you thin that it defines them. You guys sure liked him when he gave free internet to the Ukrainians though!


AquaticAntibiotic

Okay lol. The man himself regularly posts on Twitter. He defines himself, and he does it pretty often. The “pedo” remark a few years back over that cave rescue just as one example. I don’t hate the guy, he just acts like an ass and has questionable views.


No_League_8804

And who the fuck is "We"? Do you know everyone here on the forum more than you know Musk?


AquaticAntibiotic

I fixed it. Say whatever you want of me man, nothing I’m saying is anything controversial.


No_League_8804

Im not mad at you dude......I just think that people are so judgmental over things that don't concern them at all. Why does anyone care about this?


No_League_8804

Also, Have you been to Thailand? Its full of Pedo white dudes that hang with kids. When that guy was all over the TV I thought the SAME THING. Why is this dude flying 7000 miles to go caving with young Thai Boys?


AquaticAntibiotic

I’m aware of the tendencies of Thailand and what goes on there . If I’m not mistaken, this guy regularly did dives in those caves. The innuendo suggesting he did all of it to molest those boys is a nice touch lol.


AquaticAntibiotic

I like that Musk spends his money on rockets and electric cars, but his behavior has clearly escalated over time. He’s like a caricature of himself now, like Joe Rogan. He’s just not genuine, he’s anti union but tries to sell it like it’s a good thing for employees. He’s pro environment but builds rocket yards on pristine beaches with endangered species, etc. I think I have a sober view of him.


crowncaster

Reading is how we learn about the people we’ll never meet. Should we request an interview? Or should we just stop reading and trust that the people we don’t know are all doing the right thing?


No_League_8804

No, but its the judgement that is given from someone you know nothing about. You most openly admit that things are taken out of context, but continue to judge non stop as If they did something to you. Like anyone knows the relationship that he has with his daughter other than speculation.


crowncaster

I’m all for reserving judgement, and agree with the sentiment that this story specifically is problematic because his daughter seemingly wants to distance herself from him. However some judgement is absolutely necessary when it comes to holding the powerful accountable. Also you don’t personally have to be a victim in order to call out bullshit. I don’t work for Tesla, but will fight for Tesla worker’s rights. Elon is really just cannon fodder for the machine because of his tax evasion, fetichism of fascism, and general attitude towards the rights of others. I agree this specific topic is between him and his family, the problem for me was the notion that we shouldn’t be discussing the actions of the elite because we don’t know them or aren’t directly impacted by their actions.


No_League_8804

Im in complete agreement, however why do we need to discuss him or any of them at all? Put your energy into something useful. I am also assuming you are talking about how he fired employees that wrote that letter? If you want someone to go after , go after Zuckerberg or Bezo's or Trump or better yet, PUTIN.. Guys that have done absolutely ZERO for the world. Better yet, just move on with your life...this isnt holding him accountable and furthermore, it makes his daughters life even worse as its discussed non stop and put in the highlights 24/7. There is a major war going on that could lead to our demise....that seems logical to worry about that. As for Judgement, It sucks to be judged so remember that when you are in the crosshairs and someone calls you out for being a Milkshake over something you said 10 years ago...it happens.


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strangeperception-

It's both. She listed "Gender Identity and the fact that I no longer live with or wish to be related to my biological father in any way, shape or form" as her reasons for changing it.