By - crf865
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Stopped braai'ng, started barbecue. Flag is on strike.
Its because the Aussies are down under so you can see it the right way around Mate.
We're in the same hemisphere man. We're just as upside down as they are!
Someone finally said it!!!
Am in Australia, can confirm its the right way up.
I understand most of those words, but not in that order.
Braai is like barbecue, but for civilized people.
You heard me
As a South African who no longer lives in South Africa I disagree a BBQ is a braii for those who don't have good taste in meat.
🤣🤣🤣 moments before the black label enters the room
someone watched too much Sam Harris videos
Ja can confirm - ek is baie civilized
Naaa mate, pretty sure it’s “stopped braai’ing, and started a barbie”
Barbecue smokers are the best
Expat forgot which way is up.
Well he is down under
Didn’t know there was a stranger things DLC. I was not pleased when I had to play it through without knowledge of what it was
The only flag-based political statement a South African would make is putting a sticker of the apartheid-era flag. More than likely this is a joke about Australia being "upside down" or just a dumbass that stuck it wrong without looking.
The whole joke about being upside down is the fact that Australia is in the southern hemisphere. South Africa is also well within the southern hemisphere.
Hey I didn't say "joke about upside down" and "probably some dumbass" were mutually exclusive things 😂
That’s a valid point.
> Well within
I mean, it's the closest part of the African continent to Antarctica - hard to get any more within the southern hemisphere than that.
A lot of people also don't know what an upside down flag means
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Do i downvote this comment to make it count as upvote?
I feel like a lot of people are ignoring it as well because of things like blm. And no one is really making noise about it either
I think it's a down-under thing.
Hey I'm probably further North than you.
That depends, I live in McDowall, Brisbane.
Shit, nah I'm down under there.
No one does this as a political statement.
When a flag is upside down it represents the nations is in distress, which I'm sure an expat would do.
Yeah, I’ve seen quite a few cars in JHB with the same. Sticker flag upside down.
That person’s car is in a similar state of distress
I feel like if you’re a South African emigrant and you left the country because you think it’s in distress, then you wouldn’t fly the flag? You’d be happy to be gone, and wouldn’t want to connect yourself to it? I could be wrong though.
I'm sure there are many people who don't live in South Africa and are patriotic to the extent of having a sticker, but would also feel regret for their home country and how it's being run I to the ground.
If I left South Africa I too might do that.
Some peoples choice to leave is out of their control.....
In that case, they wouldn’t be posting the flag in distress. As they probably didn’t want to leave.
They are in distress.......
The flag is to represent a country in distress. Not an individual though?
Lazy Google. But means vessel in distress. Could be interpreted both ways.
My point was that even if you leave, you can still believe the country to be in distress, want to help it etc.
Okay cool. It's becoming common here among "Plandemic" type fuckwits.
Either ignorance (I've seen lots of flags upside down just because people assume sky = blue = up) or a tongue in cheek dad joke about him being an SA expat that's "down under".
I doubt it's a political statement. In SA when right-wingers want to make a political statement they either use the old national flag or the Transvaal Vierkleur flag.
Sometimes, but not always.
The Venn diagram between white farmers and right-wing, anti-government, anti-vaxx groups are pretty intertwined in many cases.
Show me a black farmer with a Vierkleur sticker on their bakkie and I will happily change my statement.
A substantial portion of the farming community in South Africa (which is overwhelmingly white due to historical reasons) are firmly on the American media and social media pipeline. As a result they have adopted a similar anti-government, anti-vaccine bent and are also inclined to put anti-government symbols on their cars.
In the States this is done with an upside down flag indicating "a country in distress" which is why OP asked the question regarding the upside down SA flag in Australia which has a population of disgruntled SA expats. In SA that is typically done by using a historical flag like the old national flag or the Vierkleur in the same way as some Americans would use the confederate battle flag. The upside down SA flag as a political statement is not common in my experience.
I know your kneejerk reaction is to jump to the defense of all white farmers thinking that I am somehow accusing them of something, but if that is the case I suggest you work on your comprehension skills as my comment is significantly more nuanced than that.
To put it politely you don't know shit, do some research and then you'll see that this country is absolutely f*cked- and we're on a fast track to civil war.
Did I disagree with that position anywhere in my posts? Feel free to point it out if you think I did.
Why don't you point out the errors in their comments with this research of yours?
Im sorry they moved to Aus my man. But were glad to be rid of that kind.
If you see an upside-down German flag, you have most likely found someone that believes Germany is not a rightful state and that either the Empire or the 3rd Reich should be in power. In very rare case even the HRE
He's in Australia. Obviously the flag is gonna be upside down.
Coming from Perth, it’s weird to see a South African flag without a Natal Sharks sticker right next to it.
That's depending which province your from, having a Sharks sticker in GP is sacrilege and vice versa for a blue bulls sticker in KZN
I guess it speaks to saffa immigration trends to Perth
He is down under mate
Its the right way up from over here
Its a joke about Australia being upside down.
The flag is turned 180°. So its the correct way vertically AND horizontally.
If it was accident/mistake it would be wrong way for one of the two and not both. :)
No, because as fellow Southern-Hemispherians, we are just as 'upside down' as Oz is so it wouldn't be funny. Everyone in the southern hemisphere knows which way is up for us.
Its an internet meme. A joke. Nothing scientific about it.
Also even though we fellow “Southern-Hemispherians”.
The joke wont work in other southern hemisphere countries. Its just never have been as strongly associated as Australia.
And also not funny for people that take it quite literally… :)
This should be upvoted to the top comment.
Out of curiosity, how would he have mounted it correctly vertically, but not horizontally) or vice versa)?
Definitely an idiot
On the contrary to popular belief, there's no "correct" orientation of country flags: it should be determined by the position relative to its pole. Conventionally, the pole is assumed to lie on the left side, and the flag to wave rightwards but for example, on the right side of a car, of an aircraft and so on, the pole side should be placed at the right i.e. the windward side. So maybe (although I myself doubt it), the owner of this car considered the right edge of the back of his car to be still nominally affected by the air stream and therefore, set the flag accordingly.
Interesting. Guess it works for some flags more than others.
You're totally right: I'm not Southafrican and was only considering the black triangle to consider orientation but of course, here top and bottom are also crucial so, disregard my useless statement (Italian flag has not such issue).
Nah, if youve seen it in Brisbane it is the rightway up. Australia is upside down.
So is SA by the same logic. Southern Hemi and all that.
I’ve seen this among expats. I think it’s just confusion
I don’t think that cars been washed since the day the sticker was put on.
It only looks like its upside down because its in Aus, duh.
Well they are in the land of down unda
Lmao he's got it flipped because he's in Australia that's hilarious
It's in Australia and because Australia is upside down the flag is actually right side up
A real example of using the flag for a political statement is when you bake your Afrikaans friend a cake with the SA flag on it and their friends suggest the cake would be better with the old flag 😬
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Nah....he's just stupid.
Sies that Ghia is filthy, do you guys not have soap down there?
Too much dust, no point cleaning it since it'll be dirty the next week
We call him a Dom naai. 😂
It may be possible that these expats emigrated pre-1994, so may not know the flag orientation. 😅 I remember several older individuals struggling to remember the placement of blue/red on the flag (early 2000s)
Joke about a saffer being down under
Lets us just expect he is a spanner
The flag isn’t upside down. He is.
They may have placed the sticker the right way around from the inside, and you're just seeing its mirrored image from the outside.
The back side of stickers are white though right?
Embarrassing that a large proportion of the population believe the blue bit is the sky, and hence it’s on top.
So no great statement here, other than “I am a bit of a dumbass”.
To be fair that's really what every bumper sticker say.
“Tell me you’re a dumbass without telling me you’re a dumbass”
Lately I've been driving around Cape Town and keep seeing hotels or government institutions with their flags upside down. When I pointed it out to the lady at the National Library, she told me it was the right way up and the blue stood for the sea. Who am I to argue with that logic 🤷
I thought Red was at the top and blue was for the sea?
South Africans in South Africa don't call themselves saffers
Okay, thanks. I'm an Australian in Australia, though, and often see it used in r/rugbyunion.
The flag is the right way up. It's just that Australia is at the bottom of the world, so it looks upside down from here
So the same hemisphere as South Africa? 🤷
South Africa isn't the land down under. It's all very technical.
It's the same kind of people that use the term saffa. Siessa man saffa sounds gagga.
I see South Africans using it regularly in r/rugbyunion, so thought I was in the clear. Gagga?
I approve your use of Saffa.
Gagga, siessa is what we say to little kids when they pick up or try and eat something dirty. It's similar to gross.
It's the same kind of people that use the term *gagga*. Siessa man *gagga* sounds ***kak***.
Definitely a silly billy. Everyone knows that the commies won, so red on top always.
Probably some Bogan who used to live in the east rand.
This question is in such bad faith calling ex-pats idiots for this behavior,
It is common knowledge that an upside flag is a statement that the country is in distress. Something an Expat would understandably do.
It is not common knowledge. It is part of the U.S. flag code so only applicable to the American flag. It would make zero sense for it a general rule since a lot of countries have symmetrical flags, see Botswana, Jamaica, Switzerland, etc.
🗿 since when does something the Americans do make it exclusively American ?
And who said it's not applicable to other flags
No one said it's an international standard, It's just a political statement,
And the South African flag is not symmetric, it is more than reasonable to connect the dots...
You are not very smart 😒
Additionally if you actually did your research, you would know it's not exclusive to the USA, because it's has its roots in Naval history, The significance of an inverted flag does vary around the world, with some counting it as a legitimate SOS signal.
" For hundreds of years, inverted flags have been harnessed as a signal of distress. Hoisting the ensign upside-down was also a potentially covert way in which sailors might share that their ship had been taken by hostile forces and was being manoeuvred nefariously "
So maybe it's not common sense for the 30%s of South Africa, but that not my problem.
Additionally some resources that back my claims up, that is common sense, not exclusive to the USA, and can apply to the South African flag, especially in a statement.
"This probably goes without saying, but a nation’s flag being displayed upside down is usually a sign of distress."
So.. political statement..?
It should have been obvious....
Maybe, but looks like you're in the minority who think so.
Because most of us would've perceived using the old flag as the real political statement.
Unfortunately im not surprised, common sense is a reality in South Africa,
Thank you 🍻
Even people.in south africa get it wrong so I'd say your sentiment may be wrong. That being said it also comes.down to the design. If it was less symmetrical it'd be a no brainer
Its just because they’re down under
Makes sense. It IS down-under.
That poor car needs a wash
maybe it’s because of the jokes that Australia is low down on the globe everything is upside down
It does mean distress, although the common folk just often hang our flag upside down by mistake.
I don't think this is a mistake because to stick this upside down they would also have to have the Chevron on the wrong side, which is very unlikely.
Not all South African Emigrants share the same values over what our country is and should be.
If that's the case, they probably aren't using that flag, in the same way some people call themselves Rhodesian to this day
Why would you call them an idiot?
Because children know which way up the flag goes, I figured it was a statement or stupidity.
Paying homage to our politics, economy and so forth
Upside down and backwards? That’s just wrong
Look normal to me? Heard everything in Australia is upside down
Maybe it's because it is in Australia where other countries typically depict things are upside down there?
I think its a joke since you know...Straya is upside-down
Your upside down mate. On the other side it’s right side up.
Honestly, I’d give them the benefit of the doubt. The flag is on the right hand side of the car and MAYBE they wanted the “arrow” to point to the center line of the car for symmetry.
If it is a political statement I couldn’t agree more. The country is fucked.
Well he is down under so it’s the right way up
I think this guy sticked it from inside so it's seen like that from the outside...
But the back side of stickers are white, and I think if we were looking at it through the dirty glass we would know.
Most reasonable answer? Just a mistake. It's not like you can fix a sticker.
Might even have stuck it the right way round when the boot was open.
That Ford Territory looks well past its best.
Lol idiot ex-pat. Dude, I get that shit confused all the time. As long as we have the colours down, I don’t think anyone really minds 👀
Find 11 , you’re in the upside down
Flying a flag upside down is the international signal for distress, require assistance..... They know what they are doing.....
this guy is from Australia
well since he's in aus, everything is upside down, right?😂
If a countries flag is upside down, it indicates a citizen of that country is in distress in that area and needs assistance
This seems to be the third most popular answer, after, 'Australia is upsidedown lol' and 'idiot'.
Do you really think he placed it like that, in distress, as a request for assistance?
Yes, but not like SOS level of distress, more like we miss the good old days kind of distress.
They’re living down under
So aggressive OP
Well I figured children know which way up it goes, so it's a statement or stupidly.
Of course! Put the flag down, flip it and reverse it!
this is an obscure reference but they want you to go on a long ass trek across the desert to get more military personnel and child psychology books
How can you tell?
Couldn’t imagine why a South African expat would have a reason to make a political stand. I mean it’s been at least 30 years since government sponsored segregation was eliminated. Surely that’s long enough.
Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. Hanlon’s razor
For everyone saying "it's upside down because we're in the southern hemisphere".... Guess which hemisphere South Africa is in?
Yeah I'm shocked how many identical comments there are. I thought the joke was only popular with Americans.
I prefer it vertically to show that I consider it as offensive as Y-front underpants.
Now THAT'S a political statement
Have you seen [what we South Africans do with our flag?](https://v.redd.it/zu9qt17tmhz71)
I think whoever stuck the sticker doesn't know the flag pole is always considered to be on the left. An exception to this is the flag on the American Army uniform.
Actually, not on a moving vehicle, where the pole is assumed to stay at the front. Maybe the owner assumed the airstream to envelope the rear edges of the car.
EDIT Never mind, was not considering the top and bottom colours, since that is not a factor with my national flag but clearly is on the Southafrican instead.
It can be a sign of political distress though
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Majority of our expats are idiots.
They don't know left from right.
SA is going in the opposite direction of what the ANC promised. Failed state, hence the reverse flag.