By - lonely_little_cow
That one was tough, but I think the Dre/Nas one would most likely produce the better music
I think Dre produced “nas is coming”
Dre also did production on The Firms album
"Produced by Dr. Dre" does a lot of heavy lifting and has since NWA disbanded. A Dr. Dre record could have been produced by any number of people, it's more a stamp than proof he actually produced or did anything more than the Diddy standard "turned a few knobs".
Lil Wayne fits with the other group but I’m going with team Ye
This should be a rap debate though. Is your answer the same? As a dual threat (producer/artist) Kanye is better than Dre. Dre's best asset is his production. As a rapper he shouldn't even be in this conversation respectfully.
The side which has Nas on it will always win
Unless it’s Nav*
You trippin. NAV is the goat. He’s gonna release aoty.
nav has em lyricism nas's story telling young thugs vocal talent fr
Forgot about the fact that he’s the first brown boy to get it poppin
Nav music made my disable brother walk. He took a long walk off a short bridge. He is disabled again cause he didn’t die when he fell of the bridge.
Exactly. If Nav is on the other side of Nas, he’ll win.
In this sub the side with em
how can you pass up on Kanye, Jay, AND Lil Wayne? I love nas and dre but com on guys, get your head together
I think theres just more oldschool fans at this point cuz it’s been around longer
Eminem, 50 and Nas any day over Wayne or drake.
Then between Dre and Kanye well Dre is the better rapper.
Jay z is the goat imo
You're delusional on those last 2 points.
Lol saying Dre is a better rapper then Ye is crazy
And drizzy too. He isn’t great now but he once was.
drake is the worst one there
i really hope you and your brother still love each other
Cmon of course people will pick Nas, hes so good
Kanye is the greatest of all time and Kanye and Jay-Z are the greatest duo of all time I dont get why you would take nas over the greatest
I think Nas is better then kanye. Kanye still great tho
Nas > Ye imo
OutKast is the better duo imo
What is kayne the greatest of all time at? And really you're pick ye and jay as best duo?
Kanye is a top level producer, incredible lyricist, and has the best discography in all of rap... theres nothing else to it, hes just the greatest
Why’s drake here?
ikr he's like an altima between Ferraris, but hey my brother's choice
Because he has a better discog than 50 and Nas
bro gimme sum of whatever you just snorted
I love Drake too but relax
bro what are you snorting
Lookin’ for good ye to snort
Drake will never release an album as good as GRODT
Plus don't even get me started about him coming close to Illmatic or ITW
If you’re reading this, nothing was the same and take care all wipe 50 sorry man
Must not have been listening to hip hop when GRODT and The Massacre was released.
50 had the world in his hand. Dude got a movie and a video game made about him all within 3 years of his debut album drop.
But that 3 years is really all he had
That video game was surprisingly good tho.
And it’s arguably the best three years in all of hip hop.
Between those two albums were 21 million worldwide sales. That’s more than kanye sold in his first five albums.
Remember when Ye n 50 made a bet as to who would sell more for graduation vs curtis? Ye won n every album after that, the gap between them only got bigger
GRODT alone sold more copies than Kanye’s first four albums.
Curtis wasn’t that good tho lol
GRODT was lit
But 50 sold 30 million his whole career. 12 mill was GRODT.
And Ye sold 121 million.
Neither will 50 haha
-45 downvotes 💀
Yea dog I forgot all the 🧪’s on here refuse to acknowledge drakes talents and accomplishments, and also thought that saying Kanye’s discog was better was simply too obviously true so I thought Drake would create more buzz. Still true regardless
50 barely has 2 and a half good albums and fell off faster than he came on. Not denying his insane accomplishments in that time either and dude found plenty of other things he was great at outside of rapping
But shouldn’t even need to discuss Kanye’s discog vs 50s as if graduation doesn’t exist and as if Kanye didn’t drop 2 10/10 genre altering albums back to back before 50 dropped his first, and wipes since
drake is easily the worst artist there...
That’s an ok opinion to have but his discog easily wipes an aux battle would b a fun stomp to watch as if drake doesn’t have an absurd amount of near universally praised tracks with instantly recognizable quotables and melodies that have been chilling on the top charts for around a decade now
Not to mention ye and jay in the same category
Woah. Now that’s a hot take 🤣
Tf you be smoking dawg
Nas is the biggest hitter from the bottom, imo. I’m still going top. Whatever you think of Drake, he has the most replay value of any rapper imo. Then ye’s the most musically innovative, and lil Wayne’s lil Wayne.
Drake has more replay value than wayne?
Yeah, at least in more alternate settings
I mean, you really kinda fucked Jay over here though
Beo don't clown kanye like that. He MADE today's rap gang. And produced some of the most iconic songs of the 2000s.
It's ok to be dumb bro. Don't gotta hide. Literally a huge list of some of the most popular rappers out today will legit say in interviews that kanye either directly put them on, or they're influenced by his music
... and?? And *College Dropout* was a mf masterpiece too, who cares? I wouldn't say "fuck him" (or anyone else) just for his music lol.... So yeah, fuck Kanye.
Bro this a rap group not a morals and life choices subreddit 🤣 its mind boggling that yall will support rappers who are gang members and talk about killing people n shit, but kanye does some wacky things and tweets mean stuff about a comedian and its "kanyes music is good but fuck kanye"
Whatever you say bro, no need to tell on yourself though
Kanye and Jay are my favorite rappers of all time so I have to go with group A
Personally I think Group A has a more consistent discography (excluding Drake) but that's just me
Yeah I was hesistant to choose group A when you have Kanye and jay z together that’s like Batman and robin but I guess so is Eminem and 50 or em and dre - it’s a hard decision I mean Kanye is a goat but so is em
Lil Wayne’s discography isn’t consistent
Kanye vs Nas = Nas win (0-1)
Jay-Z vs 50 Cent = Jay win (1-1)
Lil Wayne vs Eminem = Em win (1-2)
Drake vs Dr. Dre = Dre win (1-3)
Team B wins
I mean this could go either way I could do
Kanye vs dre = ye win 1-0
Jay z vs Eminem = jay z win 2-0
Lil Wayne vs 50 cent = Wayne win 3-0
Drake vs nas = nas win 3-1
So This doesn’t prove anything, I mean I even did it in order unlike you
Hahahahahahahaha, Dre is the greatest producer in the game.
Kanye has produced the msot iconic beats for the past 3 decades. Dre is still a good producer, but nowhere near kanye
Yeezy better out of those two. Plus have you heard of Dilla?
Kanye is literally a better producet
Jay over Eminem? Are you serious?
You’re acting like this is a uncommon opinion, people call hov the goat, I don’t but many people do. He just has a better discography. Man you Eminem Stan’s can’t take a reasonable opinion
Strongly agree. Even with this guys cherry picked matchups, I’m still taking Weezy over Em.
Nah em solos weezy I’m sorry
Most people would agree with you. I’m still taking Weezy.
It’s your opinion and I respect that but in all honesty and I speak from a non bias POV there’s not many aspects of rap that Wayne has over Eminem , but hey that’s just my opinion.
Gentleman, once you get to this level of rapper the difference in skill is very minimal, if there is any difference at all, both are top 10 oat. That said, I also prefer Eminem.
It’s just my preference. Objectively speaking, Em makes a much better case. I would argue that Wayne has had more influence on the game. Also made me crack up how you said non bias pov while having em as your pfp.
I’m an Eminem fan doesn’t mean I kiss his ass 24/7. Even with an em pfp im just as much of an Eminem fan as I am a ye fan
Dre > Kanye (by miles), Em > Jay (By even more miles). Doing it this way makes it a 2-2 tie for me
Go listen to the blueprint and graduation come back after
Blueprint? Eminem overshadowed Jay-Z in one of his own tracks on that very album
I would go more like
Ye vs Dre = Ye 1-0
Jay vs nas =nas 1-1
Em vs Wayne =Em 2-1
Drake vs 50 = drake 2-2
Nas over Kanye us WILD
same with Em over Wayne
I would of gone with ye , Jay and Wayne but Drake on that roster
The fly on the burger
Not a Drake fan myself, but you have to admit the man has plenty of classics and is way more popular than all of them combined worldwide. When he dies he's going to go down as one of the all-time greats.
Not in my mind he won’t lol He can be as influential as he wants, it doesn’t make me like him any more 🤣 But yes, he is undeniably a big deal. If only popularity equated to talent
I like every name on there.
Jay-Z and Lil Wayne alone make it the W
Option 2 is a mixed bag, but basically my logic is:
50 and Nas > Ye and Jay
Dre and Em barely beat out Lil Wayne and Drizzy. BARELY.
downvoted for having an opinion lol
Such is the life of a hip-hop Reddit user
This is so easily team A for me, way more listenable music. I'm never putting on any Nas, em or dre songs, only some 50 once in a while.
You're missing out with nas and dre
Drake & Kanye two weakest links among those 8 men actually makes it obvious. Only one on the second group that I don't fuck with much is Nas and even he is clearly better than Drake and Kanye, arguably Wayne too. So this one is not even a discuission to begin with...
Without question. Don't know what the other guy is talking about lol
What they are saying is that Kanye is pretty average - his production is on point but lyrically he ain’t even close to Nas Wayne Jay Em or 50…
Even Drake… really how can he be put in any top 10 rap argument… he alright but most of his shit is rnb and not rap, even though he features all the top rappers… honestly Drake music is for the people and he’s more pop music than rap so I don’t understand why people put him in top 10 lists - even Kanye - like musically they are both pretty dope but I don’t think they are the “best” rappers and definitely not over Nas, Jay, Em or Wayne…
So in saying that the one with more of Kanye, Drake or Dre in it loses - cause Dre don’t even write his raps anyway and he can’t be in the top 10 either…
I’m not saying Drake, Kanye and Dre are shit though, I’m just saying that they don’t belong in rap too 10s
What's crazy is that Kanye is immensely more lyrical than 50 lol. 50 might have the sauce, but bars tho...that goes to Kanye easily
Kanye wipes everyone on here especially 50 and Dre
No he doesn't
He really does. Imagine trying to listen to 10 50 albums lmaooo
He doesn’t even have 10 albums
Kanye is the best one all of them lol
Lmao yeah right ...
Name 7 amazing albums from every artist that isn’t Kanye right now
You can’t really do 7 from each artist since dre and 50 don’t even have 7
my point exactly. the kanye disrespect is crazy in here.
I know it’s crazy, although I guess Kanye is a better artist than rapper, so that’s what might turn people off from listening to him. He has amazing projects like. Tcd, Lr, graduation, mbdtf, and Tlop
Get his dick out yo mouth ffs
Im just telling the truth bitch
Not reading that essay
nah the emidem dickriding is crazy
So is the kanye dickriding
Ignore him man they’ll see Eminem get a bit of credit and start crying but if it’s any other artists (especially Kanye and btw Kanye is my top 3 I love him) they’ll be fine with it.
I'm way more a fan of kanye than em but theres more kanye dickriding in this sub than em
ye dickridin valid tho ⛷️>!/s!<
So you’re dick riding yourself, why would you point out people “dick riding” on artist, but allow it to another?
Genius, isn't it? You could also call it Jeen-Yuhs ⛷️
I don't need your pussy bitch I'm on my own DICK ⛷️
dick riding myself⛷️😏
I'm always about consistency, so I pick the first group
top has the best rapper of all time so yeah top.
its about the group as a whole, not just one artist that you think is the sole goat
1 of those is not like the others
This is a hard one, i can’t decide
I'm confused as to why we're separating the NYC rappers
Jay > Nas > Em> Ye > 50 > Wayne > Drake > Dre
Tough Call but ima go with the Em, Nas camp
Jay over Nas and em?
I personally don't regularly listen to the artist in group A but listen more to group B so i choose B
Rip to Nas and Dre but Kanye is built different
The first would have the better production and lyrical skills
Of course most are always going to choose the one that has Eminem Nas and Dr Dre but I really don't mess with their music all like that so I chose the first one. It's always so predictable what people will choose.
Assuming this is a rap conversation (I see a lot of comments about production), I'm going with side A. Kanye as a dual threat artist and producer is better than Dre. Dre's best asset is his production. As a rapper he shouldn't even be in this conversation respectfully. Let's not forget that Jay-z penned his biggest hit. Eminem as far as rap ability, might be the greatest ever but his discography also has a lot of mediocre music and some of his lyricism while clever, just isn't anything of substance to remember. Jay-z is the goat to me period. It took me years to appreciate him but I think it takes a certain sense of maturity to appreciate Hov. Lil Wayne is the one of the most creative and iconic artists of this generation. You wouldn't have half of the popular artists today without Weezy. Then you have Drake, who is probably the best hitmaker on this list overall. Side A.
i like every artist on top and no artist on the bottom
Jay-z is the goat.
Accidentally voted incorrectly
I'm 35 years old, I grew up on Dre, Em, 50 and Nas I can live without the others.
Such an easy question got anything requiring thought?
I voted for Team Dre
Speaking of Reach Eminem and Tupac are most popular English rappers in my country India.
PS:- I don't count drake as a rapper
Nope. Dre. Em. Even 50. & Nas are all old. There’s no way they’re beating Kanye, Jay, Wayne & the biggest superstar in the game rn.
Wayne is better than all of them.
50, Nas, Dre, Eminem hands down
I like nas, and dre, I really like eminem
Dr. Dre over ye
Jay over nas for now
50 mainstream run over drake
Em mainstream reign over drake
And Eminem first three album over the carter series
Plus bottom has more sales in albums and concert tickets
Can we do Lil Wayne, Drake, 50 and Eminen?
I prefer everyone in the first option but the second option is just too good
Dre doesn't write, Em doesn't write anything intelligible or worthwhile, Fif had one good (classic) album and has been trash since, Nas is great but can't carry the whole team good lord.
How is this a debate?
Kanye > Dre
JayZ < Nas
Lil Wayne < Em
Drake < 50 Cent
It is close but I’d have to go with the second one
ye vs dre = ye
jay vs em = jay
wayne vs 50 = wayne
drake vs nas = drake
top pick all the way
Bro you picked drake over nas 💀 bro I’m sorry but WTF ik it’s your opinion but your opinion is wrong
i love illmatic but nas hasnt put out anything even close to it since then. i dont even like drake i only like so far gone, take care and his new album but nas has been boring since his first album imo
Yeah bro I’m going to ignore your existence after you just said you liked drakes new album 💀💀💀 illmatic alone is better than anything drake has put out
i agree that illmatic is way over drakes highs but its the only thing nas has put out that i liked. drakes new album is a grower fs but i love it its perfect vibe music
I mean I guess it’s subjective. But, Stillmatic was fire, it was written was good, hip hop is dead is good, KD2 is fire, and even Magic was fire.
i thought magic was pretty good but idk. smth ab nas idk if its his voice or what it just doesnt click w me. im glad u enjoyed them tho man more power to u
Mob mentality always prevails and nobody can have an opinion that differs from the masses. I like a few of Nas' songs but I'm like you, where, I can't figure out what doesn't click with me. I just think he's a great rapper but too formulaic and cliché at times.
Kanye is the best out of all in my opinion
And people will never admit it until he dies most likely just like everybody else. Lupe Fiasco is definitely up there in that realm as well.
bit of a no brainer because of drake
Kanye and Dre are tied
Jay-Z > Eminem
Lil Wayne > 50 Cent
Nas > Drake
A side wins