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tedison2

I'm not here to dox him, but check his website byline: "Garrick Tremain is highly regarded as both a painter and New Zealand's funniest and most perceptive political cartoonist." (81 year old) Dude has a high opinion of himself, despite the glaring evidence.


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I laughed out loud when I read the "New Zealand's funniest and most perceptive political cartoonist", so I guess he's right - he is a comedian.


AlbinoWino11

Also, the most humble, by far.


consolation1

The dude was too right wing for the ODT and got fired - the paper that begs its readers to vote national every election.


-mung-

I just want to use your comment to dispel something I keep reading onthis thread and it's fucking annoying: At 81 years old HE IS NOT A BOOMER FFS! I'm sure many of his fans are, but he is not.


tedison2

Correct. "Boomer" means post WW2 baby boom, so born 1946+ To be 81 means he was born 1941, pre WWII... But he is still a racist bigot, which is far more annoying than accidentally being called a boomer, right? (Greatest Generation (born circa 1901 to 1924) Silent Generation (circa 1925 to 1945) Baby Boomers (circa 1946 to 1964) Generation X (circa 1965 to 1985)


-mung-

I suppose it is... but... to me, younger people calling everyone a boomer that they disagree with could - on the long tail - sometimes be both anti-intellectual and slightly bigoted itself. Words mean things. But yeah it goes without saying they guy is fucked in the head.


tedison2

Words mean things... but... lets not get hung up on technicalities - its more about the apparent state of mind and attitudes. Act like a racist and you will be called a racist. Act like a boomer and you will be called one. (Eg who listens to ZB? Boomers! See, it's a dumb generalisation, no one is quoting actual stats about the age demographics of ZB listeners, but there is still an element of truth to it)


Simple-Reporter-2080

Yet more evidence that boomer is a mindset. Anyone who makes boomer memes such as this one can and should rightly be called a boomer.


-mung-

Boomers aren't the be-all and end all of racism and stupid attitudes. You can go to university and find plenty of 20 year-olds. I'm not prepared to call them boomers, and I'm not prepared to tar all boomers with the same brush either. But calling anyone a boomer for their mindset would be like, Oh, I dunno, saying "that's a real Maori trick!" when someone who is clearly not Maori is cunning or devious. A bit like this 81-year-old guy really, who is not a boomer.


Simple-Reporter-2080

This meme format is commonly called a 'boomer meme'


RantControl

Fuck Tremain. He got fired by the ODT for being a jumbo racist.


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mocsand

Holy shit wow. That shit gets printed?!


-Zoppo

And they pay him for it. He's a professional racist.


mocsand

Do what you love and you’ll never work a day in your life


jezalthedouche

By the Otago Daily Times, in this century.


EtheaaryXD

i was not prepared for that.


HardKase

Holy shit


sheeplectric

Mama mia. Genuinely though, what benefit is it to hold these attitudes? Apart from as a way to ingratiate yourself with the worst aspects of humanity.


avocadopalace

South Island boomers are built different.


3dprint_the_world

At this point, boomers saying "I want to leave Auckland to go to the South Island" is basically code for "I want to be free to be racist"


HobbesHug

Wow... How do these even get approved for print publishing?! Holy shit.


jezalthedouche

Other racists editing for the Otago Daily Times think that they are funny?


RheimsNZ

What a massive loser


RoscoePSoultrain

Fucking hell, and here I thought Al Nisbet was the biggest piece of shit racist political cartoonist in this country.


Dead_Joe_

Who does he racist for now?


MBikes123

Cameron Slater


Dead_Joe_

Thank you for your service.


MBikes123

There was a weird in between period where he did his exact visual style and font, but under a different name, but I think now hes just under his own name


MONKATRON1

decided to own it


spundred

It's such a shame, Tremain used to be decent in the 90s, now he seems to just find humor in mocking the less fortunate.


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Sad-Extreme-5359

Like Mike King


consolation1

Nah, his crap was just more acceptable; plus back then his bete noire was - young people; what, with their beanies, skateboards and baggy pants - the horror I tell you! But they were all pretty much minority coded. He just toned down the agism to focus on his true calling, racism. TBF, looking at the op, he's reaching back to his roots.


f33dback

"We did not post this! It was likely caused by an associated admin account that gained access, momentarily. " LOL. Thats not how facebook pages work buddy.


nikoranui

That page has been going downhill for a looooong time. Enjoy the landslide of disengagement, dickhead.


Techhead7890

Yeah we literally had this discussion in the Wellington sub a few days ago and people explained about how the original owner quit and stuff.


MBikes123

Didn't you enjoy 15 a minute cry from a 65 year old economist who hates everything as a warm up act at the Wellington Live mayoral debate?


Thiccxen

Same thing happened with a Waitaki page. Exact same post too, kinda weird. ​ Went from being local news and opinion to purely "I hate jacinda and young people are bad, Also I hate Maoris". ​ Kinda sucks.


Rascha-Rascha

All of facebook is a boomer shitpost now. Just quit that toxic wasteland of old fucks with nothing to live for and let them slowly die off in circle-jerking peace.


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motherOfMaryJ

And they put you in charge of hiring people? Really hope you're joking here cause this is just absolutely moronic.


Immortal_Heathen

WTAF is up with the big lips and other stereotypes of Maori. What % of homeless and beneficiaries are NZ European? Fair amount I reckon.


twohedwlf

>What % of homeless and beneficiaries are NZ European? Fair amount I reckon. Exact numbers vary by region and time, and who does the survey etc. [https://www.statista.com/statistics/1028989/new-zealand-homeless-population-in-auckland-by-ethnicity/](https://www.statista.com/statistics/1028989/new-zealand-homeless-population-in-auckland-by-ethnicity/) 43% maori 31% European The population of Auckland in general is 11% Maori, 59% European


SEND_INVENTION_IDEAS

And when are we gonna stop treating the homeless as subhuman parasites?


piroskamcs

My brother? He is 62 and pakeha. On Supported Living, due to various disabilities. And now there's me, not as old and pakeha....as carer for him and aged mum. No big lips. Not actually homeless, although I suppose if I hadn't moved here to be carer I would be now, as I gave my house to my son.


DZJYFXHLYLNJPUNUD

It’s Garrick Tremain. Guy’s got a fair number of racist cartoons in his back catalogue.


djfishfeet

Indeed. His social commentary has become intolerable, though I'm also sure he enjoys good support, and not just from boomers. I hear plenty of 30-40 year olds loving his cartoons. I'm a bit perplexed though. Tremain has been cartooning for decades. To the best of my memory he was not this bad decades ago.


DZJYFXHLYLNJPUNUD

I inherited a book of his cartoons from the 80s and 90s and it’s… of its time.


djfishfeet

Of it's time. Great response. Indeed, everything was of it's time. People 40 years hence will be shitting on this time.


Dead_Joe_

Funny thing is, there were people back in the day that never did buy the "it's just they way it is" bullshit. That's how "of it's time" becomes old hat, cringe. Good people were moving us in a positive direction back then. It inspires me to read something like that from a couple of hundred years ago.


djfishfeet

Yep, good call, there is always good people, now and throughout history. I'm of the opinion though, by and large, that we are a bit delusional about this. We think of ourselves as superior to the past. We especially think that now thanks to technology. Collectively we mock the past, feel superior to our recent forebears. But really we are much the same. Look around at all the shit, all the problems, and what are we doing to fix them? Collectively, sweet fuck all. I speak of myself too. Nearly all of us are expecting others to sort it. So our criticisms of people in the past are a touch hypocritical. We are quick to judge the past, yet as individuals do next to nothing to fix the present. People will say we can not do anything about it, that is up to the people in power. Ok then, how come you don't give that to people 40 years ago?


angrysunbird

As well They should be


gtalnz

Not sure about homeless, but as far as beneficiaries go (Jobseeker Support) it's 50.7% European and 39.7% Maori. https://www.msd.govt.nz/about-msd-and-our-work/publications-resources/statistics/benefit/index.html


ToTheUpland

Are these statistics prioritised ethnically? E.g. if I put Maori and European down as my ethnicities, they will prioritize/only list Maori, even if I personally identify more as european.


gtalnz

It used to be that way but now you'll be counted as both. The total figures for ethnicity will be higher than the actual total number of people for that reason. https://www.msd.govt.nz/about-msd-and-our-work/tools/how-we-report-ethnicity.html


keera1452

Emergency housing numbers by ethnicity are here: https://www.msd.govt.nz/documents/about-msd-and-our-work/publications-resources/statistics/housing/monthly-housing-update/2022/monthly-housing-update-aug-2022.pdf


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gtalnz

70.2% European and 16.5% Maori. Why do you ask?


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gtalnz

Was my previous data incorrect?


NonZealot

Disgusting what's happened to this page. Previously Wellingtonians followed this FB page for updates about cultural events or classic quirky Wellington stuff. A few months ago a boomer overtook the page and now posts absolute drivel like this.


Financial-Ostrich361

Dunedins Facebook page is the same. In fact, almost the entirety of Facebook is becoming a boomer site as the younger generations keep leaving, boomers become a greater percentage and the cycle continues. They get louder and louder. The younger leave. I left Facebook for this reason


-mung-

Perfect website for them. It amplifies the huge echo chamber and doesn't require any critical reasoning skills. Absolute heaven! Fucking terrible otherwise, but that's why people leave. The only mildly disturbing part is they go out and vote and write letters and complain. Oh and run things.


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RubberReptile

The entire disc golf community seems to use it and I understand why: the event coordination/planning tools are second-to-none. Doesn't mean I like it but FB long since absorbed away most alternatives.


vebb

if only 😢 it's a terrible fuckin' thing for mental health. People just see those perfect snapshots of how their peers lives are and wonder why theirs sucks. People appear to view it as factual. (Yeah, even people my age, mid 30s) It's keeping up with the joneses but national/international. It's cool you just got a new car (on finance, which for some reason people are proud to say?!), but I'll stick with my cheap $4k toyota until it dies, then repeat - until I have saved up enough to buy something newer. Just say no to finance, just say no... If needs must be met, get a bank personal loan instead imo. I very rarely venture on to `facebook.com` and simply use `messenger.com` and `messenger lite` on phone. Just means I have to make an effort to talk to the people I love, which is fine IMO.


Techhead7890

Yeah messenger.com for browser is all I really need. Most of the restaurants I like to go to have their own websites and stuff or post photos of their food on instagram.


MBikes123

Apparently the same guy bought that "Social Cooking" business and ruined it


Gr0und0ne

It’s been talked about a couple times on r/Wellington. People are leaving the FB group en masse


Conflict_NZ

This happens to all big community pages after a while. The funniest ones are when joke pages like "You know you're from X town when" turn into the default community page and it's only boomers left.


NaCLedPeanuts

Give 'em a taste of that cancel culture they complain about so much.


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Aside from the cartoon being racist, Tremain's drawing skills are plain awful.


fluffychonkycat

What in the dog-whistle is that? Chuck it in the bin


jiggjuggj0gg

Dog whistle? It’s literally just openly racist


FuriouslyCreamyMemes

Garrick Tremain really took getting fired from the ODT as an opportunity to let loose his full-on racist boomerism


SnooLobsters5092

Thanks for this. I’m teaching a class on colonialism. This will be a great discussion starter.


consolation1

Pull up Tremain's cartoons from the ODT, 90s - 10s; you can have a new discussion starter for every day of the week, hell you can take your students from undergrad to PhD and they won't see the same "conversation starter" twice.


SnooLobsters5092

Oh jeez. Thanks for the tip, tho


Asirisix

To be fair retail doesn't get the day off


HoriOri

Unemployment is at historic lows, what more do they want?


TRodz

I'm pretty sure they deleted this now. After they sold this page, it went downhill really fast.


Slipperytitski

Title sums up Facebook as a whole.


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There's another recent Tremain cartoon that depicts a Te Reo teacher telling the class how to say "I failed English, maths and science." I don't know whether Tremain is trying to say kids will fail English, maths and science if they learn Maori, or if he's trying to say Maori kids will fail these subjects, but either way, it's just so unnecessary. I tried to paste the image, but Reddit doesn't allow images to be posted in the comments.


ehoaandthebeast

nah cafes and retail will be open i bet. Briscoes will have a half mast sale upto 50% off It'll be only salaried office, builders and manufacturing that will get the day off, always is. our public holidays are a piss take especially labour day which needs to be our most sacred of all days in this backwards ass country


supercoupon

Hooray for the 1st of May!


SpaceDog777

It's not like there isn't compensation if you work on a public holiday. A day in lieu and time and a half isn't half bad.


the-real-tinkerbell

Way to completely miss the point of this post?


hokichaser

This is so sad. Honestly this generation and those that share this mindset needs a clean out.


merit2Aplus

Hey plz stop referring to him as a boomer. He doesn't represent any boomers i know. Sorry is just plain awful to any age group.


jamhamnz

It's not everyday that you get to recognise the contribution of a Monarch, let alone someone who has reigned for a record 70 years. Also, all the hospitality businesses that struggled the most during COVID are the ones who stand to benefit the most from the public holiday! People travel during long weekends, so that means staying in accommodation, going out for dinner and basically spending money. These are the very businesses that seem opposed to the holiday. Or are they just opposed to having to pay time and a half?


petoburn

I’m not sure you fully understand the cartoon, it’s a dig at Māori for not having jobs.


jamhamnz

Yes I know and I hate the cartoon with a passion.


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I’m not sure why you’re bothering to engage with the cartoon in good faith; it doesn’t deserve such respect


JackPThatsMe

So, the drawing looks like it was done by an eight year old and the humour is the same. Yeah, he's a boomer all right. Rightly sacked from the ODT, let's get him unemployed again.


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NaCLedPeanuts

It's racist. Pure and simple.


fraseyboy

Easy to laugh when you're not the butt of the joke.


Immortal_Heathen

Hardly. This only emboldens racists and their views.


Dead_Joe_

What was the joke? You might have to explain it to me.


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Dead_Joe_

It's funny? Doesn't even ring true, I'm finding it hard to "lighten up" I guess... How do you do that?


Ok-Relationship-2746

I've learned to ignore boomers. They're so out of touch there's literally nothing they know anymore, and it pisses them off, so they come up with shit like this to compensate for how times have changed.


Sgt_Pengoo

Kind of hypocritical to condemn an entire generation based on some racist comic.


Much_Instruction_975

Boomers have got to be one of the most arrogant, entitled group in NZ. Let's not let this shitpost turn into a beneficiary bashing, who's the most likely to be on a benefit. Keep the focus on this group of a failed generation and their self richious, uneducated blabberings to still feel relevant.


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Much_Instruction_975

Damn straight


FrankBridges

It's that piece of shit Tremain.


Odd_Analysis6454

I think it’s unhelpful to use boomer instead of racist when people are being directly racist.


resetar

Tremain is an odious bigot. And his drawing style is what those in the trade call “as modern as minhinnick”.


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Livid-Savings-3011

Get a sense of humor you PC douche nozzle


feedmelotsofcheese

I never understand these responses. Whenever a comedian is in trouble for a shitty racist joke there is always "think of the comedy!". But shitty racist jokes are not good comedy, they are tired and trite and not very clever and easy to come up with. If you have a sense of humour you should be offended by this joke- not for its racism but for its lazy, outdated humour. By cancelling comedians for such jokes we are not only stopping hurtful racism spread but also drastically improving comedy by forcing them to come up with original material not based around decades old stereotypes. If you enjoy this comic you absolutely don't have a sense of humour because this is ancient lazy "comedy".


Livid-Savings-3011

I appreciate it for it's ability to provoke a strong reaction - the same thing called "white fragility" when the boot is on the other foot. This cartoon is offensive partly because there is an element of truth in it born out by the statistics. Te Pati Maori have been very vocal in grandstanding on the Queen's holiday with some nonsense false equivalency and whataboutisms, but they would be better off spending their energy helping to close the performance gap between tangata whenua and the rest of NZ.


feedmelotsofcheese

When I think of humour the first thing I think of is deep statistical research


das_boof

>the same thing called "white fragility" when the boot is on the other foot. It's called that because there's a difference in the power dynamic. >This cartoon is offensive partly because there is an element of truth in it born out by the statistics. It's offensive because it's punching down on a marginalised community who has historically been discriminated against, which is a large part of the cause of those statistics.


jezalthedouche

\>I appreciate it for it's ability to provoke a strong reaction ie "I'm a trolling racist asshole"


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Livid-Savings-3011

Do you want me to call the Wahmbulance? Sometimes cartoons should provoke a response - are you troubled by the casual racism or the underlying truth in Maori underacheivement? Trying to pretend that it doesn't exist or that much of NZ is not frustrated with Te Pati Maori rhetoric is wishful thinking. We should start difficult conversations around deliberately provocative cartoons like this.


Reach_Round

For it to be comedic it needs to "punch up", "punching down" is just abuse.


Livid-Savings-3011

So comedy is only funny if it is directed at the wealthy and privileged?


Pingasplz

Boomer shitposting? I love old/scuffed middle aged people.


psefti

Terrible! absolute disgrace ! Boomer redneck running the page now.


nzsims

Replace those guys with some upset retirees and you've got a funny comic.


MTM62

Guess we've found Aaron Gilmore's supporters.


crazfulla

The fact that he has the gall to sign his name to that is absolutely astounding.


Court0320

mhm :c