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CANDUattitude

Uvalade hsit keeps getting better and better.


benjaminikuta

The US Treasury is offering staking rewards of 9%.


Syx78

On the thread-locking being a good idea. Imagine it's 1950. We have people talking about race-mixing and discredited racial theories and some of the more extreme ones argue for either a holocaust of black people or a return to slavery. Segregation being a thing at the time lots of voters cared a lot about, many people argue for a big tent with these people to win. The Democrat party eventually decided it was not worth it anymore How do you think black people would feel about participating in a space like that? Allowing extreme vitriolic language is free speech, but it creates an environment where others know they are not safe and will leave accordingly.


jtalin

That logic only works so far as you're filtering out fringe, extremist views, but it falls apart when dealing with widespread, mainstream (if not majority) views. These are the views you're going to have to confront and contend with the moment you poke your head outside and talk to just about anybody, even some of your own family members. Nothing at all is gained by keeping a political discussion forum clear of them. I appreciate the principle of safe spaces, but they only make sense in hobby or media spaces where people actively go to tune out all the political noise, worry, societal and life problems. If you're going out of your way to find a place to talk politics online, you *should* feel uncomfortable, because the more uncomfortable you feel, the more grounded and nearer to reality the conversation is. It also means you're talking to people you should be talking to. This subreddit has a growing orthodoxy problem, and users who do leave are those who do not conform to that orthodoxy. The byproduct of this exodus is a self-validating and self-perpetuating bubble where people are increasingly wildly out of touch with where they stand, where their society stands, and what needs to be done to best advance their causes.


Syx78

The point is if you have people going around saying “the trans are gross degenerates who are grooming kids and should all be shot” then they won’t post here anymore. It also creates a certain atmosphere that non-transphobic cis people will not like so they’ll also leave. This continues on until all you’re left with in the space are fasc. It does nothing to change minds. In fact it does the reverse. Also that’s not all the trans discussion of course, but most of the people in that thread who got deleted definitely were close to saying something like that. There’s definitely reasonable debate to be had on trans issues. But idk if it’s to be found in a thread where the OP was obviously brigading so it was filled with far-right trolls and not just neoliberal posters As far as a safe space to talk politics… how about pro-Russian views advocating for the genocide of Ukrainians? Should Russian bots not be allowed to post? Are their views not valid?


jtalin

That only sounds nonsensical in your head because you're warping the arguments that would occur. There wouldn't be "Russian bots" arguing for why "genocide is okay". Their argument would run more along the lines of what Mearsheimer is saying. They would talk about NATO expansionism and how NATO provoked Russia without providing any security guarantees to Ukraine. And let me tell you as someone who's hopefully built up a long enough track record of being hawkish on Russia that I can't be accused of being a Russian bot, majority of people I've seen on r/nl can't hold their own against Mearsheimer, and every thread discussing them was full of completely braindead takes that have been upvoted and validated just because they're pro-Ukraine. This is what happens when you enable a mentality where having the correct, orthodox view and lazily shitting on the incorrect, unorthodox view is the only thing that really matters. So yes, it would be good if there were people on this subreddit making arguments that support Russia's geopolitical reasoning.


Syx78

> There wouldn't be "Russian bots" arguing for why "genocide is okay". There absolutely are. The Mearsheimer tier level of arguments exist but there's also a lot of very low level mud-slinging as well. Even if it was just Mearsheimer by discussing his opinions tons on this sub and giving them equal weight the effect that would have on the subs composition... well it'd likely drift into being a pro-Russia sub not because of arguments but due to concentrated Russian efforts, being a space known for Russian arguments, etc. This has happened to r/CredibleDefense to a large extent although it's about 50/50 on there currently.


jtalin

I will 100% back the banning of pro-genocide arguments. As for the second part of the argument, even a 50/50 split would be preferable to what we have here. I think we just expect fundamentally different things from our political spaces. The baseline for my expectation is that the space is at least representative enough of real politics and real arguments so that its userbase doesn't completely drift off into its own imaginary reality.


Syx78

Wouldn't that just be a regular normie space rather than a space that claims to be a place for people to discuss a certain topic such as neoliberalism? Also if you really want to cut your teeth on trans topics and get the real hardcore arguments check out tttt. For going in depth on anyone topic like this you really need a focused space for it.


jtalin

That's what r/politics was supposed to be, and look at it now. Normie spaces that stay normie usually do so by avoiding political topics where possible. Even from a perspective of a relatively cohesive ideological space, being grounded in real politics is what makes discussion useful or valuable in any sense of the word. If instead of arguing against real problems we argue against made-up caricatures of Russia, conservatives, the American political system, or even fucking Germany of all things, at some point we've drifted so far from politics and entered the realm of political fiction.


Syx78

What you're proposing is what /pol/ claimed to be, how did that work out? \[for the record the history of /pol/ is complex but it basically claimed to be 100% free speech but some of the mods may also have pushed it in that direction rather than it being a natural consequence of a free-speech environment\] As far as keeping a sense of reality about topics, sentiments, etc. it's important but I'm not sure platforming a bunch of malicious actors\[Mearsheimer, Peterson, et al\] is the way to get there, nor that their views are representative. Other options such as touching grass, visiting other subs, polling data, etc. exist.


jtalin

I mean they worked out about the same in the end in the sense that they both became a haven for conspiracy nutjobs and people completely detached from reality, so it doesn't seem like the level of openness is what made any real difference between /pol/ and /r/politics. Also I would dispute that either Mearsheimer or Peterson are *malicious* actors. There's nothing that the former did to stand out as particularly malicious, whereas the latter has deteriorated due to his own mental and physical health issues more so than malice. Either way even if we agree that their views are bad, defaulting to writing them off as malicious means we are ill-equipped to argue against them. As we've seen in the case of Mearsheimer, after a few hack articles posted about how the entire school of Realism is a joke, people here started defaulting to calling him a crook, a Russian plant and an 18th century scholar, until after a while I promise you that people didn't even know what his arguments are and didn't care anymore. His name just became a symbol for Russian propaganda, and that was that.


Dabamanos

Americans didn’t accept that black people were people because they just woke up and accepted it. American heroes like Frederick Douglass took to the podiums and held debates and argued rationally that they were humans and worthy of the rights guaranteed to all by the constitution. “Deplatforming”, ignoring or destroying dissenting thought without effectively arguing against it, and creating insulated spaces where people feel comfortable is nice but it will never effect change And if we aren’t on a political subreddit to help effect change, why are we even here?


Syx78

They did yes but they also discussed with likeminded people to come up with the arguments and refine them. They didn’t do all their discussions at the KKK headquarters. As far as political subreddits. Why don’t we talk more about race realism here? Why don’t we talk more about workers seizing the means of production and executing all the owners? Why don’t we praise chairman Mao more and has daily threads singing his graces? Why not have serious discussions that the Rwandan genocide wasn’t really that bad? Why not have more pro-Trump discussion? Why not discuss that Jan 6th is fake and dems suck? Because this is a political subreddit with a particular ideology. It’s for civil discussions of people with a similar ideology/worldview.


jtalin

The whole point of a liberal subreddit is for liberals to argue and fight over what the best course for liberalism is, not to talk about how amazing they are and how horrible everybody on the outside is. That's not politics, that's just escapism.


Syx78

Yes, liberals. Not fascists. Fascists should be banned, it’s quite simple. Hindu nationalists on the other hand… idk it seems like the mods have a soft spot


benjaminikuta

Counterpoint, that one black guy who joined the KKK and convinced a bunch of them to change their ways.


MasterOfLords1

#I WON THIS DT, BY A LOT🍦😤🍦


questciv

They need their OWN league! It's not extremism or bigotry, it's BIOLOGY! You can't just be letting golden retrievers play high school basketball!


RTSBasebuilder

The second time I'm in Adelaide and I'm still impressed at how walkable the CBD is. !ping AUS


FlynnyWynny

The Adelaide green belt always amazes me


MaccasAU

“City”


Internet001215

It's about as populated as New Orleans and salt lake city in the US. That's not nothing.


MaccasAU

That is legitimate, but it does still feel like a big town to me. You’re right though, if Canberra is a city…


Internet001215

Yeah Canberra and Hobart are where calling it a 'City' starts getting questionable.


Astronelson

What’s your cutoff for city? Canberra has over 400,000 people in it.


Internet001215

Really rare to have a major city around here without inner city freeways


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randymagnum433

Hasta mañana


Cre8or_1

Just to give an idea of how much of an uphill battle the fight for Manchin rights continues to be, I offer this anecdote. My beautiful, "the heart beats on the left" wife, who is pro immigration, pro choice, pro climate action, always votes straight Democrat, and I recently talked about our state's senators. She mentioned that she was glad there were no Republicans there, which I thought was an odd thing to say, but she is a survivor of a Trump presidency and that has recalibrated the parameters of what she considers "safe." A person's unique context matters. When I asked her if she'd feel the same about Manchin being our senator, she said she'd also not be comfortable with that. I gave her shit for that (from the heart, as only couples who have been happily together for a long time can do), and she recognized that there's some instinctive Manchinphobia she needs to examine. Meanwhile, moderate Democrat politicians and voters are put through hell for no god damn reason. They don't have time for each of us to do a fearless and searching inventory of how we feel about all this, they just need us to have their backs NOW. I don't think that's an unreasonable ask.


MasterOfLords1

Malarkey level of rewatching The Sopranos 🍦🧐🍦


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MasterOfLords1

Listen to him, he knows everything 🍦🙄🍦


Broncos654

One of al-Zawahiri’s wife’s was in a house when it got bombed and she got stuck under the rubble. Rescuers came but she wouldn’t let them take her out because they would see her face.


Dancedancedance1133

Heated fundamentalist moment


Broncos654

bin Laden bought a 15 year old wife that apparently even creeped out other Al-Qaeda members


MasterOfLords1

>Krystal Ball: Sri Lanka COLLAPSE Is DIRE WARNING For World ​ 🍦🧐🍦


MasterOfLords1

Oh your statement is non falsifiable? Gimme a sec, lumping you with those "religious(🍦🤮🍦)" types 🍦😎🍦


MistakeNotDotDotDot

Republicans Bad xD


MasterOfLords1

Banned for excessive partisanship 🍦😎🍦


[deleted]

Natalie Portman is a great actress but my god did I not like her performance in Thor. Or maybe it was the script, I don’t know.


DepthValley

https://twitter.com/GMEdd/status/1547017027834900482 very excited to see how this is going in 30 days lol


xeio87

They gonna need to pump those numbers up, too many people know about right-click save-as. They made <$50k revenue off even that amount of sales.


[deleted]

Aren't us cops great at solving crimes? Like the us has the biggest prisoner population in the world clearly the cops aren't doing too terrible if that's the case


ReasonableBullfrog57

Hot take, the transgender topics sometimes getting locked in merely the worst aspect of a big tent. If we're going to win and pass policy we need a big tent. There were some legitimate anti trans people in there though (outside of sports) and fuck them


Delareh

Yeah, no, we can't let bigots in the big tent. But, I didn't read anything particularly bigoted in the comments enough for the thread to be locked, but I can't see the removed comments so...


ReasonableBullfrog57

I don't think people who don't want an unfair situation in sports are necessarily bigoted. Hell, there was a transgender person in there arguing the same thing. We don't want bigots, but we also don't want to exclude people by falsely slapping a bigot label on them either.


Extreme_Rocks

We’re a niche political sub with a politically poisonous name not a wing of the Democratic Party, if the big tent means accepting bigotry fuck the big tent


ReasonableBullfrog57

I wasn't referring to bigotry merely less woke positions. In that same thread even a transgendered person was arguing against unfair inclusion in sports. We need to exclude bigots and educate people but we also need to not ASSUME someone is a bigot because they don't hold the most woke position on something.


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Elon’s response to Daddy’s takedown on TruthSocial was “LMAOOO” accompanied with a gif of Abe Simpson Actually pathetic, he never stood a chance


[deleted]

His actual response will be funding DeSantis’ 2024 campaign.


[deleted]

Waste of money. Once Donny turns the power of posting against DeSantis he won’t fare much better than Jeb! or Little Marco


Mourinholib99

gotta say old atlantics articles are suprisingly accurate most of the time. Although there was one funny one which decried the allies in allowing turkey to disregard the treaty or sevres and become a new countey in a very unrelated weird anti-semetic way


DonyellTaylor

There is no “flying car.” There is only awkward little plane. There is no “hoverboard.” There is only awkward little Segway. There is no “3D movie.” There is only awkward little glasses.


Average_GrillChad

wait there actually is a guy named Ed Balls...


jenbanim

>The Right Honorable Ed Balls I wonder if he has a slightly larger brother called The Left Honorable Ed Balls


piede

> Romance Novelist Who Wrote Essay How to Murder Your Husband Found Guilty of Shooting Her Husband https://people.com/crime/author-nancy-crampton-brophy-wrote-how-to-murder-your-husband-found-guilty/ The most subtle crime in history besides January 6


SpaceSheperd

My uncle, who’s been on the ground in Colombo protesting (side note: quite proud of him for this), sent a message in the WhatsApp celebrating that GO HOME GOTA had been achieved by the peaceful protestors Don’t get me wrong, this is absolutely a triumph over oligarchy and corruption but I’m sure the less-than-peaceful torching of numerous residences and homes linked to the president and prime minister *probably* played a role in Gota’s decision to step down and flee to the Maldives lol


DonyellTaylor

Thor’s good, but it’s Christian Bale’s performance as Travis Barker that really sells it.


boyyouguysaredumb

Chapelle: "I hate trans people and I don't understand them. Want to hear me rant about it for an hour?" Morons: What an absolute comedic genius. Let's get this guy another emmy nom.


Lyndon-Gains-Johnson

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FXgsRiKXkAIvmW9?format=png&name=small


Average_GrillChad

Yeah I'm bi: ~~sexual~~ ~~polar~~ ~~cep~~ ~~tcoin~~ den


InshallahBiden

yes 👴🏻🍦


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MolybdenumIsMoney

Literally 1984


MasterOfLords1

Gavin Newsom needs to hit the gym so I can start bonkposting 🍦🧐🍦


SpaceSheperd

Ever seen that man in a quarter zip? No gym necessary


semaphore-1842

it actually bothers me a lot when i spend a month developing, refining, lobbying support for a proposal then once it was approved, someone snipes me by coming out with their own implementation without so much as the courtesy of giving me a heads up then ignoring all of my input based on, you know, all the work i've previously put in then turns out their implementation is literally half baked and misses fully half the cases then they don't bother fixing it for 4 months, even though it's a super simple fix (they're missing one character in the regex) i was gonna wash my hands of it all, but this is still kinda my baby, i can't keep watching it languish


MistakeNotDotDotDot

having pride in your professional work is one of the best things you can have and also one of the worst things you can have


MasterOfLords1

That's why u/soldier-fields and I rent seek 🍦😎🍦


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Demonrats did bad thing (exist) (1828-present)


Minimum_Cucumber7170

Marvel ruining their characters and storylines any percent speed run


[deleted]

Yeah I think Thor was handled poorly here.


MasterOfLords1

>Implying Marvel had good characters ​ 🍦😒🍦


Sir_Arthur_the_First

Kazakhstan transitioning to the Latin alphabet from Cyrillic tells you enough about Russia's ability to be a regional power with any influence.


Average_GrillChad

Republicans did bad thing (exist) (1994-present)


[deleted]

All the 14 year olds who think Elon is the world’s greatest internet poster are in for a rude awakening now that he’s in a feud with the actual most accomplished poster of all time


Sir_Digby83

[Good shit.](https://i.redd.it/1kctjacv68b91.jpg)💯💯🇺🇸🇺🇸🗽🗽👍👍


RandomGamerFTW

get rid of the “let’s go brandon” and “45” and its now good


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Delareh

> Like let's say someone says hi to a trans 16 year-old. Or even a 16 year old who is not 100% gender-conforming. Should the person who says hi to them be rounded up by the secret police, as in Texas? Wtf does this even mean. Was this person high? I can't even tell what side it's coming from. I'm so fascinated.


WhomstAlt2

Send /u/benjaminikuta to Kazakhstan. It's payback for Borat.


benjaminikuta

I would like to visit someday.


Nietzsches_Therapist

“You wouldn’t like me when I’m hungry” My favorite quote in morbius so far.


[deleted]

> “You wouldn’t like me when I’m x” I already don't like you.


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Sir_Arthur_the_First

The dialogue feels so strange in Fahrenheit 451 and I can't tell why or if that is intentional.


Broncos654

Fwiw books only get better from Fahrenheit 451


FLakIsBack

If people knew how overpowered the reddit block function was, this site would be broken within a week. We should advertise it's machinery as much as possible


[deleted]

Drove over herd, that's what I always say.


I-grok-god

I said "Our long national nightmare is over" at work and my boss stared at me funny Oppression of the history nerds😔


MasterOfLords1

Literally whomst said that 🍦🧐🍦


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AnotherLostButterbar

[God bless our boys in blue! o7](https://i.imgur.com/VfpHUlX.jpg)


NotCausedManatee

We need more climate friendly military ordnance


OkVariety6275

If elected President, I promise to automate and destroy jobs. If you can’t see why this is a good thing, it’s because you’re stupid.


Average_GrillChad

Based and Port Modernization-pilled


nicethingscostmoney

I just want Atticus Finch to sit me down and explain why things are going to be alright and believe him.


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realbarcalounger

This but unironically


JonF1

I'll always use people preferred pronouns but I think people have accept that self identity is blatantly circular reasoning.


SpaceSheperd

Is it? > There is no legitimate external basis for identity -> ergo identity stems solely from the self Seems fine to me


jenbanim

\>Not creating an axiomatic proof system for your gender Never gonna make it


MistakeNotDotDotDot

i'm irrationally proud of the Grand Unifying Theory i have for all my weird brain shit is it accurate? idk, can't test it. but it seems to track.


Delareh

I mean it's fine but it is circular.


JonF1

I more or less just see it as unsettled philosophy that isn't worth demeaning or upsetting people over. There are not many if any practical/pragmatic problems caused by self identity as far as I know.


Delareh

Yeah pretty much how I feel.


SpaceSheperd

Why? Would it be better if it was preceded with “identity must stem from external causes or from the self ->”?


Delareh

Tbh I can't parse what you wrote in the earlier comment either. My observation is that most of the times it's "I want to be male/feel male, therefore I'm male" and yeah that's circular. Nothing morally wrong or dishonest. It just is. And its' circular.


MistakeNotDotDotDot

it always weirds me out a little too but i think the thing that breaks the circle is the existing notion of being male/female whatever, so saying "i am male" means "i wish to be perceived as being in a category with these people". like, if i defined a new identity of "tautologists" whose sole defining characteristic is "if you want to be a tautologist then you are" then there would be a certain class of people that would self-select into that: people who like playing with identity, people who have an affinity for logical games, and so on. it's not inherent to the category at all, but it's what it would wind up with in practice. similarly, 'male' and 'female' as categories sustain themselves based off the millennia of 'tradition' around them. if we didn't have gender and had to bootstrap it, things would be very different.


Delareh

It's more evolutionary pressure plus momentum than tradition.


SpaceSheperd

It’s more of “I feel male therefore I am male” coupled with “there is no consistent external basis for you to otherwise deny my maleness” and those form a noncircular basis for self-identity Note that premise two holds up in terms of gender much more so than sex


SpaceSheperd

As the most utterly cursed of outcomes, the UK had to suffer through an election with Boris Johnson pitted against Jeremy Corbyn. Now just a few years later, they might end up with the positively sunny matchup of Keir Starmer and Rishi Sunak What the hell is this functional system of government and what does the US have to do to get our hands on some?


Average_GrillChad

it seems that even with shitty single-member FPTP and an extraneous third fairly major party, parliamentarism remains vastly superior. But also there isn't a crazy maga-esque consituency I assume.


SpaceSheperd

At a certain point, you have to consider the crazy constituency a symptom of the disease unless you want to get into weird social engineer-y type notions of cultural rot or whatever


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Luph

question for the DT: do you own a pair of crocs and if so what do you use them for?


jenbanim

No but I want to get some for VR so when people come over they'll look at my Crocs with trackers strapped to them and be like "what are those" and I'll say "those are my VR Crocs"


Average_GrillChad

Yes I hope to breed them and establish a crocodile ranching business


Luph

HAHA YES 🐊


nicethingscostmoney

No.


[deleted]

Yes. For the shower.


realbarcalounger

Was going to downvote you after "yes", but showers are legit fucking dangerous.


[deleted]

Mine is also tile and from the 70’s. It gets moldy way too quickly.


realbarcalounger

Wait like grout in the floor of the shower? Eww


[deleted]

:/


realbarcalounger

I mean it's probably safer than the tub/shower deathtrap with 45 degree slanted walls I have tbh


WhomstAlt2

Democrats Bad xD


Joementum2024

Agreed👏👏👏👏👏👏👏


[deleted]

Muscle Natalie Portman is my favorite part of the new Thor. But how Thor’s arc concludes is also really entertaining.


Delareh

> Thor’s arc concludes wait, it does? no more thor?


[deleted]

I mean, >!we do get the “Thor will return” but he finally becomes more emotionally available to his adoptive daughter, finally overcoming keeping everyone he cares about an arm’s length away emotionally.!<


MasterOfLords1

Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose. Nothing ain't worth nothing but it's free 🍦😎🍦


Joementum2024

Speaking from a utilitarian perspective, would the world depicted in The Purge be an overall net good to society?


MasterOfLords1

#🍦😐🍦


inhumantsar

We can run it at a small scale here if you go support the Battle Royale initiative in metanl


Broncos654

I can’t remember how it works in the movies but assuming that’s the only day there’s serious crime then most utilitarians would says yes.


jenbanim

You can be bi and date the same gender You can be bi and date the opposite gender You can be bi and not date anyone at all You can NOT be bi if you sit in chairs normally sorry I don't make the rules


SpaceSheperd

But I only cross one knee over the other twisting my body in the same direction while draping my opposite arm over my lap some of the time I sit in chairs


[deleted]

Does the Riker maneuver count?


jenbanim

fuck yeah it does


Luph

define normally


[deleted]

[удалено]


AtomAndAether

twice the dating options, half the dates 🤣


Head-Stark

Eh?


MasterOfLords1

Haha u/atomandaether the goolsballeth hath spokeneth 🍦😎🍦


SpaceSheperd

Damn I got blocked by another reg. I don’t recall arguing with or being a dick to this particular user nor do I think I have significant ideological disagreement with them Sad 😞


MasterOfLords1

u/cr8or pls unblockb🍦😭🍦


SpaceSheperd

Also why tf would you block MasterOfLords? You got tired of being told good morning?


SpaceSheperd

He’s had my blocked for so long too 😭😭 Probably deserved it but I might file an appeal


MasterOfLords1

I don't think you can do that 🍦🤣🍦


SpaceSheperd

I will find a liaison to act on my behalf 😈 Or maybe I can start a block appeal thread on MetaNL. Sure to be a big hit amongst the mods


MasterOfLords1

#🍦🧐🍦


breakinbread

Just got an ad for Raytheon Missiles


jenbanim

Well don't leave us hanging, are you gonna get one or not?


[deleted]

Some out of context Thor spoilers https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/421423297792573460/996650270467555328/IMG_7972.png https://images.csmonitor.com/csm/2012/03/0313-kony-2012-uganda-first-glimpse.jpg?alias=standard_900x600 https://static.independent.co.uk/2020/10/28/11/Election_2020_Save_the_Children_Conspiracy_Theory_66074.jpg?quality=75&width=982&height=726&auto=webp https://external-preview.redd.it/H2RLFMkrc4SEooNlM3MnLuz8HLpgUkoXS4nkTwslj_s.png?auto=webp&s=6e67763feee7086f9622397ff58c8b37a18853f8 https://media-cldnry.s-nbcnews.com/image/upload/t_fit-1500w,f_auto,q_auto:best/mpx/2704722219/2022_03/1648687518278_n_reidout_madisoncawthorn_220330_1920x1080-9lwnnx.jpg


inhumantsar

Looking at that third one I thought for a moment "oh wow. Gas at $2.15, that must be Canada!"


MasterOfLords1

I'm a NON partisan Republican ☝🏻😤🍦


Luph

banned


jenbanim

Call me an sjw if you'd like, but I believe you can be a man even if you aren't swift as a coursing river


Average_GrillChad

Bloatlords are real men, too 😤😤😤 !ping DYEL


adisri

The only true bloatlord is Grizzly. Everyone else should cut 😤😡


RickAsscheeks

Weight starts with a 2.


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AtomAndAether

i think youre gonna have to be at least one of the things. If you cant be swift, at least be as mysterious as the dark side of the moon, ya know. Put in a little effort.


Luph

BANNED


MolybdenumIsMoney

My gf just reposted an instagram story saying "The biggest scam in human history has been the colonial agenda to convince us that magic isn't real." 🤨


EvidenceBasedOnly

Ironically?


SpaceSheperd

Leftists really are getting to that level of delusional, aren’t they?


[deleted]

Is this satire


Broncos654

I enjoy the notion that Bismarck and Disraeli were really concerned about making people not believe in magic


MolybdenumIsMoney

The insta story is claiming that Europe first colonized itself with witch trials and repression of magic by the Church before it colonized the world They claim that plantation owners banned gatherings of slaves and traditional rituals because their incantations could turn the plantation's food to poison and blight their crops


Broncos654

They’re pulling it from a book called Caliban and the Witch if you’d like to enlighten yourself. I’d categorize it as feminist-Marxism.


I-grok-god

This is definitely based on [Caliban and the Witch](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caliban_and_the_Witch) although I didn't think the book endorses actual witchcraft as being effective Also "Europe colonized itself via witch trials" is either a few hundred years too late or too early depending on your measurement


disCardRightHere

Weird


uwcn244

Surely you mean your ex gf


MolybdenumIsMoney

So far magic has yet to come up in conversation Imma just avoid bringing it up


uwcn244

You really shouldn't do that. Your girlfriend could believe even wackier things than you know. How long have you been dating her?