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SwampBadger

Good question! I've been wondering a lot about this lately. My guess is that the market will become super saturated and there will be only 2 options from there: 1. Have an established site and gained authority by then to save your business; 2. Write a very unique content that is based on personal experience that can't be found on the internet. Either way, AI is very concerning as it progresses extremely, extremely quickly.


TheHeroInUS

Possible. Today, I found 4 websites made by income school pupils targeting the same keyword. They were top 4. I find IS sites constantly. All use the same theme and look generic AF. 90% of the competition in my niche comes from income school pupils. If income school continues for 10 more years, their pupils will 1dominate the blogosphere through shear volume. There is a finite number of keywords but an infinite number of IS pupils.


LopsidedNinja

I wish all my competitors were IS pupils Beating those losers is like taking candy from a baby.


SodiumBoy7

>Superprepper.com can i dm you?


MichaelF-

What's an Income School website? Do you have an example?


WinMySunDay

You are right, I also see a lot of IS sites on various keywords. However we can be one of the Is students of an infinite them


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orange-you-smart

What do you do to outrank IS sites?


Wisewords-T

Build authority


orange-you-smart

Through link building?


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orange-you-smart

I don’t have a single IS site in my niche. Just curious why their sites are easy to beat. They seem to be teaching some similar techniques as a lot of other places.


TheHeroInUS

because they're new. In practice, however, IS sites are still competition that shouldn't be taken lightly.


ahyeahidontknow

>because they're new. No it's because they're shit at off page and technical SEO. You can smack them with a handful of backlinks. >In practice, however, IS sites are still competition that shouldn't be taken lightly. Nonsense.


orange-you-smart

I haven’t done any link building. What’s your main link building strategy?


SmutProfit

Like most things that are automated, they are going to replace the lowest skilled workers first. In this game, AI is going to replace all those .01-.04 USD per word ESL writers first. Think about it. If you're a Native English Speaker and you hire ESLs to write content for you, first you have to screen out a lot of crappy writers (costs time), then with every piece they write, you normally have to check for plagiarism, fact check, then proofread, error correct, edit and finally put your own style and finishing touches on a post before publishing. On top of all that, you have to pay them! I've seen what Jarvis can and can't do. It does produce a good bit of crap. At least 50% of the facts it spits out are wrong, so you need to fact check, the language in general isn't bad and what's bad is either easily fixable or you can chuck it and do it over. Jarvis had an "Unlimited Plan" until recently. They have a plagiarism checker as well, plus I've used additional plagiarism checkers, 100% clean. As far as "Scraping Content", from other "content" on the web is concerned. Well, what do you think 99% of writers do as a normal "part" of their research? They gather information from other parts of the web and write what they find relevant in their own words that resonates with their readers, injecting style and conciseness into their writing. If you're going to use AI correctly, you're still going to have to proofread and edit it, while adding your own style and conciseness to it... and if you're already hiring out as well as paying for cheap content, then more than likely, you're doing it already! Anyway, it's good for ideas, very rough drafts, outlining, conclusions and intros, even the body (again, as a very rough draft) etc. However, I think most of us can agree that the worst part of writing is the blank page and although I would never use AI as a final draft, but as a very rough draft, it does give me enough to work with so I don't fall into the procrastination trap. That right there is worth the price. Speaking of which at $119 per month, it's a steal! If you use the AI Tools as they are meant to be used, as a Writing Assistant and not as a Writing replacement, then it's a good tool to have. It can actually increase your productivity 4-5x... However, too many misunderstand its use. Either they expect to just push a button and publish anything it spits out. Or ESL writers who actually think it's going to improve their English. Laughable! What they don't realize is that they are paying for a tool that's going to replace them..lol.. I see them all over Jarvis's Facebook Group. Bragging about their writing services and SEO expertise. Their posts riddled with errors....Nobody in their right mind would hire them! Besides, I'm hearing more and more rumblings from those that do hire out for their cheap content, starting to complain that the ESL writers they hire, are using AI themselves. Eventually, those that hire out are going to realize, why hire out for cheap content when I could use AI myself. In the end, if you're a Native English Speaker, you know your niche and you understand how to use AI as it was intended, as a "Tool", then it could be a game changer....Time will tell...But in the foreseeable future, I predict AI will turn a lot of "Writers" into "Editors"..lol...


MeekSeller

I agree with this take. Outside of very few specific scenarios, AI tools built on GPT3 are curation assistants, although they are marketed as creation assistants. We are entering a stage where AI assited curation is going to be the norm. You have seen what GPT3 can do with images. For an artist, being able to generate hundreds of concepts on the fly to refine your final product is a huge step forward for creatives. Sure, it's not going to create the final render for you, but as an ideation tool, it's incredible. Same is true of writers block.


SmutProfit

Thanks, that's what I've figured. Ironically, I spend more time per article using the AI tool, than I did without, strangely enough. Most of the time I had spent prior was due to not only writers block, but figuring out what to write, research etc. For example, with the AI tool being wrong on at least 50% of the facts, is weirdly good for my research. It forces me in the right direction to either verify the facts or find the right ones... Also, I'm much more engaged with my writing. But I think you nailed it by using the term "refining". I also agree that they are more "curation assistants". It's definitely a more accurate term when you think about it. AI still can't literally "create" anything. But, then again, even "creative human beings" can be considered the ultimate "curation beings" since we derive a lot of our creativity and thought process based on our previous experiences and interpretations, although at a much more complex level that I'm not sure if AI will ever reach that level on its own...lol.. It's a great tool, but certainly not a substitute...We either have to adapt as "creatives" and upgrade our skills by learning and utilizing the latest tools or get left behind by those who do. However, these aren't the old "article spinners" and "content scrapers" of the past....But they are big upgrades upon them nonetheless. They are still tools, not replacements and should be looked at as such.


dlgpuba

The easiest areas to disrupt are low regulatory environments. For example: An AI that writes ads for you. But an AI that is used for triage in hospitals? Good luck. Technology is not the hurdle when implementing AI's to run things. It's the integration with our existing conventions. Some areas will be able to legally block progress for a long time. Way past the point they'd have a huge upside for everyone.


HiddenGeoStuff

**No**. **A lot of A.I text companies advertise on this subreddit and many others by writting posts like these. The idea is that they will create fear that will push people to use their products (everyone is using it I should be as well). A.I written text (either coding or language based) is not the future and never will be.** Let me explain. (Please explain the bluntness of this text, people get scammed all the time by "A.I written blog posts" and I want to set the record straight on this. My credentials are at the end) # Part 1: How Google Looks At Your Content Here is the simple fact of A.I analyzed text (google). It is based around semantic linking of words pulled from other articles online that rank well in a user chosen subject. (Here is a free tool that will visualize for you how this A.I writting stuff works) ([https://voyant-tools.org/](https://voyant-tools.org/)) Google uses semantic linking of words to find out what webpages should rank for what keywords. This is done around 3 established factors. [(Source)](https://www.emerald.com/insight/content/doi/10.1108/TQM-05-2021-0125/full/html?skipTracking=true&utm_source=TrendMD&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=Training_for_Quality_TrendMD_0&WT.mc_id=Emerald_TrendMD_0) 1. Completeness (your page semantic linking vs. others) 2. Clarity (How well your semantic linking and vernacular is demonstrated) 3. Consistency (Do you keep up this clarity and completeness across multiple topics/pages in relation to 'competition' and vernacular of intended audience) Google uses methodologies and A.I to 'deconstruct' your site's articles. They do this to find content that serves to help a human using the Google search engine to solve their query. Simply put, Google is actively looking for content that is written by a person who understands the customers query and can answer it. The key here is a customer's local vernacular (U.S English vs U.K English) # Part 2: Why A.I Cant Write Your Post For You Ok, so we know that Google looks for semantic linking across your site's articles and ranks them accordingly. An A.I writer is only going to be able to write a semantically linked post that fails to convey the second established factor (clarity). The A.I writers that everyone is afraid of are actually a scam that uses a simple coding library to webscrape text data from ranking posts and then combine it in an effort to trick google into ranking the article. What this means is that your A.I is pulling webscrapped data from 30 different articles online and smashing it together. As a result you will lose the human vernacular of the target audience and thus the clarity, which will tank your consistency, which will destroy your completeness. (look at 3 established factors above) Further, a site that completely used an "A.I writer" will have a brief moment of ranking and then Google will notice the absolute trash that is the articles. This is because each "A.I article" is actually a Frankenstein article pulling data from several other ranking human made articles to create a forgery. Simply put, Google is actively looking for HUMAN written content and will severally punish any content that shares similar semantic linking profiles with other established sites. **Here is an example of a free A.I program so that you guys don't waste your time and money on this. (**[**https://zyro.com/ai/content-generator**](https://zyro.com/ai/content-generator)**) (Notice how each A.I article pulls random data. Imagine a site with 100 of these articles and how well it will do on Google)** # Summary (TLDR): You get what you put into this. A.I written blog posts/articles will never be able to accurately write content for a target audience due to the nature of language vernacular. The human brain is just to complex for a simple team of computer programmers to replicate. The people selling these "A.I's" simply download or create a library that will copy other sites semantic linking and destroy their clients website portfolio overtime. By using A.I generate content you will rank fast as Google indexes 100 of your posts/articles but at some point in the future your site will be gone. **Don't be lazy, write your content.** # Credentials: I hold a bachelors and masters degree from a university in the U.S that works directly with the Google team and have had friends in their search office. Further, I have created websites and have even built Python programs that perform automated semantic text writting using semantic linking. People post all the time on this subreddit and r/Blogging to steer people into A.I written content. If a computer program could write any language as well as a human could we would have Skynet.


MeekSeller

What you have said is true for blogging but not so much other content. We are dominating time-sensitive content 95+% machine generated text despite google saying that it's a "future" thing. We are also able to populate entire ecomm stores with ai generated descriptions that rank just fine. While google advises that automatically generated content should be blocked in the robots.text, what google says and what it rewards is often at polar opposites.


xfd696969

After 3-4 months of some of my best pages ranking in the top 3 I decide to check them out. Two of them had clear typos in the intro and I still ranked just fine.. I think Kyle Roof said it well, "Google can't read".


AdorableFlight

Used Jarvis with the hope that I could con my way to an authority site and realised there’s no way it’ll work.


reigorius

Tried some AI text generators. What they basically do for my niche is regurgitate top SERP texts. I can tell because all of them suck and the 'AI' script just smashes all the suckiness together to create an article that still sucks.


xfd696969

That's why I think they aren't all that amazing.. people using them are looking for shortcuts. Sadly, no real shortcuts for doing hard work.


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orange-you-smart

Are you willing to go into detail on your process of custom training AI?


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orange-you-smart

This is helpful. Thanks.


ahyeahidontknow

They're absolutely a shortcut. You can't typically use them to push out a completed article, but they are great for quickly generating a framework to write around, saving a large amount of time. Jarvis is also much better at intros and conclusions than most writers. You sound like you've just never used one.


Senatorsmiles

I used that tool - Zyro... here were the results. Bolded sentences were written by me, and zyro finished the "article" **Saddles are amazing. You can put saddles on many animals, but mostly horses. I'm going to sell you the best saddle in the world.** It's made of wood and it has a great feel. If we're lucky, your dog will like it so much that he'll buy me one for his own show ring. My mother once bought my beloved horse John Henry Bates from someone who gave him some wonderful toys after she'd seen how hard they were working out when left alone with them. So now be sure not only do every couple want their first equestrian toy, there are lots of people wanting theirs too. The American Kennel Club doesn't allow children under 12 years old to make or possess any sort other than stockings (no running shoes), long pants, riding clothe


HiddenGeoStuff

Lol


orange-you-smart

I think you very much underestimate the AI of ten years from now.


MeekSeller

This. I think it was stated with his understanding of the current search environment, which is still off. AI of now certainly isn't production ready. I'd be surprised if it wasn't as little 5 years off. The difference between GPT2 and GPT3 is astounding, and barely any time has passed between the two. It's going to be a very quick evolution from curation (current ai tools) to creation.


Wisewords-T

I love that other bloggers are dismissing AI. Gives me an edge. The key is to use AI as a tool, not let it write the whole article for you.


SmutProfit

This!


lens-giver

No AI is unfortunately way OVERRATED there is no such thing as "Intelligence" in these algorithms. The ONLY way this is possible is if these data aggregation companies, for example Google, gather better, higher quality data. The way to fight against this is through Data Dignity, something that is happening with the Web 3 movement and Crypto/ Blockchain tech. Think of this problem of "AI" like Religious people saying the Mosiah will come or something.


orange-you-smart

I don’t think this will be the case in ten years.


Broholmx

I think AI writing is mostly terrible


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Broholmx

The AI did all the graphics too? That's very impressive.


notapplemaxwindows

I imagine the Google algorithm will move just as fast in our favour (well for those manually writing articles).


orange-you-smart

You think google will favor humans trying to exploit SEO holes to the AI technology ten years out from now?


notapplemaxwindows

erm no? I think Google will favour good content writers not using AI to write content. Its really all a bit of a guess.


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twoblocksleft

The Ahrefs organic estimate graph says ~7m visits, where are you seeing 30m? https://i.imgur.com/D6jqD37.jpg


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Genuine-Imposter

Do you use the free version of Similarweb? The paid versions don't list prices.


notapplemaxwindows

Is it one of your sites?


orange-you-smart

My guess is AI will write better than humans in 10 years.


NoTalentUK

I don't think so - I feel like the backlash against boring, formatted media has already begun. Millions of people would rather listen to the Joe Rogan podcast than neatly packaged mainstream media - because it's authentic. If mass AI produced articles become the norm - I feel like people will use 'AI blockers' (no idea if that's even possible) or something to get human-made authentic content. ​ Of course click bait nonsense like my site is at risk though haha


orange-you-smart

The internet is full of garbage right now. Display ads and affiliate business models have unleashed incredible amounts of shit.


Genuine-Imposter

I think about this frequently as well. Many industries are going to be drastically different in ten years due to advances in AI. I imagine monetizing search engine-optimized content writing won't be any different.


TheHeroInUS

1. Nobody knows what's gonna happen. 2. Things always change. People keep talking about Google, but nothing is eternal and that applies to Google and social media. In 10, years the technology of today may be obsolete and all those business models could simply DIE not because of AI but because of the market itself. THAT's why smart people sell their websites after milking them. You get the money TODAY, instead of waiting for 5 years. In 5 years, the entire Internet might not exist in the FORM that we know it, but money is very likely to be still here. AI or not, nothing is certain. That's why I don't understand people 1who "take it slow".


orange-you-smart

How long do you grow a site before selling it?


TheHeroInUS

It depends. People usually do it when the site is just about to start going downhill and it makes more sense to invest the time and effort needed to ressurect it elsewhere. Sites, just like everything in life, have a lifespan. For some it's 20 years, for others it maybe 5 or 2 or 1.


fr3ezereddit

Understand. But he asked how long do YOU grow and sell a site.


ahyeahidontknow

He can't answer because he's been building websites for a few months, but talking like he's been doing it a few years.


Olovs

You’re probably right. For some reason this business is full of people who worked for 6-12 months and already are experts and try to preach to everyone. This guys previous posts and comments is a perfect example. Don’t take advice from people who never done it.


shaun-m

He is right. >I'm not a SEO person. Know little about it. From TheHeroInUS's [own post here](https://www.reddit.com/r/juststart/comments/qdj8p5/the_downsides_of_this_business_model/hhmpsfo/) one month ago, doubt he has ever sold a site himself. >Don’t take advice from people who never done it. That's one of the issues with the sub right now. There's a bunch of people offering "advice" and presenting it as if they have built profitable sites when they haven't.


Olovs

There we go. Nice one, Shaun!


ahyeahidontknow

> full of people who worked for 6-12 months and already are experts and try to preach to everyone Basically this sub with a few notable exceptions.


Olovs

Aye. The clientele is totally different to when this sub started. I believe OP and the “expert” in this thread are a perfect representation of the majority here today. Sadly.


orange-you-smart

What was said in the OP that is different than would have been said by the original masterminds of this sub?


Olovs

I'm not talking about the open post. I'm talking about the open posters (your) attitude on the sub.


orange-you-smart

That’s everywhere.


Olovs

No.


orange-you-smart

You’re right. My bad. Doesn’t happen anywhere else.


Olovs

Wrong. Again.


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orange-you-smart

Are you doing much with video and social yet?


BritishBotWriter

Currently developing AI which will destroy a 3rd world countries biggest export. Honestly I'm convinced other people are doing said thing but keeping it hush so the market does collapse and this commodity doesn't tank in value as its only so expensive because of the sheer amount of labour to produce.


nimitz34

Do you mean their export of badly written in english articles at 1.5 cents per word?


BritishBotWriter

Nope a physical product which is used throughout the world. Something you may see on business insiders why so expensive. The original question has been changed it originally wasn't about text generation.


girlfights

OK


omglia

Not in my niche. You can't write good, useful content without firsthand experience, which makes the barrier to entry high and also protects against ai takeover. I tried using jarvis to help me write some content and it was truly useless for us!


orange-you-smart

I hope you are right about the Jarvis of 10 years from now.


keithmak

Good question, ty