By - angrybody
Did the newspaper just mention the rising petrol cost or did it have some op-ed about it? There's no reference as to what exactly the article did & I couldn't find it online.
They removed it. Apparently from this article the fact that the article interviewed locals who confirmed they are now buying petrol from Oman for cheap is what pissed off authorities.
The red line: you shouldn't show locals as acting against the country or in a way that may be interpreted as being unhappy with the government. You have to always portray them as happy and supportive of the government no matter how expensive petrol gets (or any other thing).
I disagree that they are forced to only praise. I follow a bit of UAE twitter and it isn't all gushing fake praises.
You speak Arabic and you can see their discussions about poor services and the like..
There is a lot of discussion and banter and complaints and solutions and disagreements among people, regarding government and services. Sure, there is no lèse majesté, and that is a line that isn't crossed.
I also follow some of it and I can tell you it's mostly timid criticism every now and then. The only government entities that get bashed are Etisalat and Du. Try to tag the Ministry of Commerce or Immigration or any other ministry and tell them their fees are crazy high or their services are super slow and you will likely get flagged and monitored by police, if not outright called for investigation.
Okay, that I havent tried 😅
A lad did disrespect RTA in that way and ended up in jail. Just read about that before trying.
Bzzt, wrong. Locals cannot be portrayed as seeking “assistance” from anyone outside the country, not even neighbors. The whole concept of “Shame” is associated with it. Shame is a big deal in our society in case anyone is still wondering. This has nothing to do with us being unhappy with the government or any of your imaginary redline, if you use Arabic social media, you would see there is a ton of locals voicing discontent regarding unemployment, social issues and ministry decisions. It’s still amazing to me that people who have lived here for decades still don’t know where the actual red line is.
this is also false. there’s a local radio show listened to by many locals. it broadcasts at around 7-8AM or something and the only purpose of this show is for locals to share whatever they like. people share their problems with anything in the country. this show has been going on for decades. most people dont think its reported etc because its an emirati show in arabic on a local radio channel and I doubt more than 5% or maybe even less from non emiratis listen to it.
locals are heard and allowed to voice discontent or unhappiness in anything. people on this reddit just dont know where that outlet is lol
Yes, there are 3 radio shows (that I know of) actually on 107.8 (Ajman) 93.9 (Dubai) 98.4 (AD)
so you’re saying it’s fine as long as non-Emiratis don’t hear locals sharing their problems with the country
There are plenty of Arabic speakers who are not Emirati.
literally did not say that at all. im saying majority of the non arabic speakers are just unaware and think emiratis never complain lol
Honestly I don’t enjoy reading local newspapers. Articles written in a silly way where it’s apparent the fakery and guided thinking process of robotic thoughts.
Are the mods asleep? 🤣
Nope, they are woke
It does seem like an overreaction but here's my slightly educated take.
The primary focus of the article was how people near the border were getting petrol for cheaper because Oman subsidies fuel while the UAE doesn't.
I think highlighting that irked the government because they are worried it can cause discontent among the emirati population. Keeping Emiratis happy is essential to avoid an Arab Spring type situation - which is a big worry here.
Also watch this get removed in a bit.
That's likely the case. The point here is the overreaction. You could have just removed the article, and informed staff to avoid sensitive topics. Firing everyone is treating the matter North Korea style.
We don't know, but they might have had several warnings already about other articles. I see articles being deleted from other UEA news sites all the time, so maybe they reached their limit with this one.
Exactly my thought, but people are always lol for ways to validate an idea they already have about something…
they did not fire everyone. reread the article you shared. they fired a lot who are all probably involved.
The entire newspaper is dissolved. What do you mean they’re not all fired?
The year 2019 was proclaimed as "The Year of Tolerance"
how the the time flys !!
I've seen this few times on Twitter this morning. It will probably trend on international news.
Kinda scary how they can kill a magazine for an article they didn't like. It's a good reminder this place is like North Korea when it comes to freedom of expression. There is a reason why they are always at the bottom in every freedom of expression index.
We tend to vent and rant here using anonymous accounts, but I am sure the government is pissed about it and wouldn't want to see that criticism of its actions. Be careful guys when you rant.
Let me guide you, with a slight push and a shove these accounts aren't anonymous.
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Social engineering. This sub is full of agent orange 🧐
> Kinda scary how they can kill a magazine for an article they didn't like.
So the group that owns the magazine is owned by the President's brother. Don't care about censorship, just hope the people fired get jobs elsewhere. Must say, the speed at which the paper was "dissolved" is gangster. I'd do stuff like that all the time if I was the 'ruler' of a place. Also this topic will be removed from here.
> I am sure the government is pissed about it and wouldn't want to see that criticism of its actions.
I mean they know what a price rise does, and most non white people on here are earning average salaries, so it's gonna hurt. They know that as soon as the people at that level have any place to go to, they will, till then they'll shut up and pay. It's a business transaction.
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This is why this country will never belong to an expat no matter how much it pretends to be welcoming.
why would it belong to an expat?
what country in the world “belongs to an expat”? the colonies of the UK?
I think he means “an expat will never feel like they belong here”
Heard they are arresting people in UK if they speak against the monarch.
They did arrest someone for that.
Wow that’s not what happened. They were arrested for breaching the peace. What the peace is at a time of a state funeral is very different to what peace is on Oxford street on a busy Saturday afternoon. British laws are highly interpretable and deliberately vague.
I mean, you can twist it anyway you want but he was still arrested because he shouted to Prince Andrew "you're a sick old man".
He might have been arrested if he did that at anyone else’s mums funeral too….
The UK isn’t exactly a beacon of free speech either.
That's true. Imagine being the graphic designer or photographer in the magazine, and ending up jobless for something you have no relation to. The whole thing is a joke.
Same thing if you criticize lgbtq or any other superior class in Europe or the US.
You lose your job same day in the so called democratic republics.
Yes dear this is the same for all countries in the world. Some masquerade it with bullshit like western countries.
Lost your visa because they thought that hate speeches are a bad thing huh ?
LGBTQ isn't a superior class though? they're literally discriminated against on a daily basis.
I'm honestly not here to discuss what is right or what is wrong. In fact, the strongest decide what is right and wrong. You are entitled to this opinion.
If tomorrow a new gov in the US decides people of "purple" color are discriminated against, so be it. Or if Kim K decides shit-cream is good for your skin, well you will see what "right or wrong" is: it won't exist anymore with lots of people.
My point is, that you are doing exactly what you are criticizing. I'm in Europe, and I behave, simply because there are rules. I'm in Dubai, I also behave, simply because there are rules. Different, but still there are rules. Do I share all those rules? Doesn't matter.
Discriminated now in 2022?
You must be still thinking you are living in 1950s
i mean uae itself still has anti-lgbt laws sooo...i don't know what you're talking about
Yes? The year doesn’t matter? In these countries sexual orientation is a protected class like gender or nationality.
Exaaaaactly...the western hypocrite here pretending they have freedom..when any thing not in line with LGBTQ or transgender "pronounce" you are cancelled
Being “cancelled” is different than the government shutting down your business. Also, you being “not in line with LGBTQ” is literally discriminating against a group of people, which is against the law. Same as discriminating against a nationality or a gender. These aren’t the same thing.
Not being in line with LGBTQ = censorship, impeach freedom of speech etc..they are just trying to use execuses to shut down any opinion not on the line...not so different from North Korea, not being with line of communist party
You are free to not like homosexuals, the government can’t stop you. But you are not allowed to treat them in a discriminatory manner (refuse to serve them, etc). Free speech doctrine does not mean you can’t hold an opinion against something you like. There’s the difference.
"Mass firing at UAE"
I see a lot of typical ignorant comments as uae nationals are not allowed to criticize the government.
There are many FM programs were locals call daily and complain and even criticizing ministers and services, online forums and twitter are full of it.
The is a difference between defamation and actually complaining about reality.
How about criticism in newspapers? Why is it only FM and Twitter? Or you can also have a critical column in any of the print newspapers?
I don't think it is as black and white though, since I'd suspect even the criticism of the government would have limitations. The UAE improving ties with a certain other country was not something Emiratis were all happy about, but I would suspect that they were not able to voice that. Or were they?
Wait a bit and you’ll see how “censor free” is this sub.
Lol. Just shows how people are over here.
I know a journalist back home who now works with a UAE-based news org. Suffice to say he's always having a hard time writing actual news content here due to very strict guidelines.
This is why I use local news websites for just three purposes: petrol prices for the next month, newly announced traffic violations/traffic fine discounts, and COVID related updates.
I get every other bit of UAE related news from international news organisations like CNN, BBC, Reuters and Bloomberg. I haven’t purchased a single newspaper in the past 7 years because I realised that the international news organisations are always more unbiased on their viewpoints.
>I realised that the international news organisations are always more unbiased on their viewpoints.
Every piece of media is biased one way or another
True. I actually meant more reliable compared to local news outlets. I couldn’t come up with the right word to describe it. Sorry
There's OTHER news?
According to a contributor to the paper, the deal with an international business news organisation was in the works for months. And after several attempts to revamp the business model, it was finally decided to go ahead with the deal to move digitally. The print business wasn't doing well. The contributor said that even a seasoned Arabic paper such as Al Hayat closed down and Al Roeya didn't stand much chance as a print business.
That said, my mind thinks this way--
it isn't a surprise that this happened after an article that could potentially make it look like people are unhappy here
but the article may not have been the only reason,
the fired individuals could spin the news in this way to stain their former employer,
Foreign news media eager to get negative UAE news in the wake of its les than perfect relationship with the US at the moment and the war in Ukraine snapped up a juicy bit of news,
the former employer would have been heavy handed for sure,
And a deal could have been in the works for a while
And print media might have been struggling for a while.
All can be true simultaneously.
I could be wrong, but even in cases that look so clearcut, it could be spun so many different ways.
Well, censorship is everywhere, if you know what I mean.
Well what did you expect ?
I would have expected them to remove the article, and may be send a note to the team to avoid sensitive topics or to approach them in a different way.
Fire 8 people and then closing down the whole business? That's crazy and I can't think of any other place where something like this can happen.
What was the article about?
Increased petrol prices.
That's true. Everyone now will only publish positive stories and refrain from the slightest negative thing.
Your first time in a Middle East country ?
I've been in the Middle East long enough to know an article doesn't lead to firing 8 people and then closing down the magazine. This is only a UAE thing.
Ever heard of Saudi?
Haha exactly 🇹🇷 🦵 🔪 🩸
Still better than sending people with suitcases and chainsaws to get you in a third country.
UAE is very clear on this. I don't understand why do people whine. They put a constraint, if it is not complied by, since **you** broke their **constraint** you can't also tell them how to react to it. Be it fire or close a company. It's their decision.
Honest question about the moral relativism you advocate: where do you draw the line? Would you have said the same thing about apartheid South Africa? Their country, their rule? Same question with gay rights, or the right to wear a hijab, or freedom of expression, or cannabis, or women's rights, etc... up to what point is it ok for a country to limit people's freedoms? Can you even define that line objectively without being biased ?
Again this is a genuine question, I have no definite answer to it myself but I believe it is more complicated than to simply say "their country, their rule, leave if you don't like it". I also tend to prefer when people are given more freedom to choose their own path in life.
You see if I wanted to exercise my freedom of speech rights to talk about let's say, gay rights or whatever examples you have mentioned above, I would put my feet on a land that allows me to do that openly and publicly. And there I would exercise it.
I won't go like, let me check which country has restricted freedom of speech, ah UAE, and then go dwell there and complain why I am not allowed to speak freely. It's just being considerate of the host country my friend.
You will be called as uncouth if someone invited you to their home over a celebratory event and you after enjoying the event go about how they should have decorated their house or what should or should not have been part of that event.
I don't want to sound woke but *privilege* is when you don't mind *inequality of treatment* when it doesn't affect you. For example if you're man that doesn't care when women don't have the same rights as you; or you're a muslim that doesn't care if other religions or atheists have fewer rights; or you're non-muslim and you don't care if women are allowed to wear a hijab; or you're straight and you don't care if gay people are oppressed; or you're simply content with the current state of affairs (like you are in this instance) and doesn't care if others are not allowed to voice their discontent; etc...
You end up not caring about the plight of others because the status-quo benefits or contents you. I doubt that you look at inequalities around the world and think that people should just move abroad if they're being oppressed. Following the same logic, would you also respect a country's decision to discriminate against people who share your ethnicity, religion, or gender?
In the end I think we should always try to have empathy for other human beings, even those we can't identitify with. We can't just be selective of other people's freedom based on whether we personally care or not.
I see you are very passionate about what you have to say but don't jump to conclusions.
Never said I didn't have empathy.
Just said I am considerate enough to not voice my opinions **publicly** in a country where its prohibited.
Also, sorry to say, but I think sort of lowly of those who chant no freedom of speech bla bla. Just talking/expressing doesn't do shit.
90% of the people I know who hold strong opinions just do that. Hold them. And want to talk about them. Some are fine expressing it inside their circle, some want to shout it out on the streets.
But if it weren't just on surface of it, they would make tangible difference for the cause of ideology or opinion they hold.
Fair enough. I am only trying to see if people can reason better when they support censorship by asking them if they'd react the same way if the situation was affecting them personally. That's all, not saying they should necessarily change their minds, but they should at least reflect if their opinion on the issue is rational/principled or not.
Up to the citizens of this country to decide, not to you or any other random Reddit dweller.
Do you honestly hold the same opinion for every country around the world? Or do you sometimes give your opinion on how things should be in other countries?
Everyone has opinions, I don't propagate mine. The most stable and sustainable ideologies will win out in the end.
Beyond the scope of basic human rights, there is no function in imposing and finger wagging. You aren't saving anyone.
You're all so quick to defend the curtailing of freedoms of others but my bet is that you don't feel the same way when it applies to oppressive situations that relate to your own ethnicity, opinions, religion or gender.
What exactly did I defend? And if I felt oppressed in my own country I would indeed say something, what is your point?
Being from countries not privileged like Europe and the West, my priority is providing food and shelter to my family by studying, working hard and doing what I have to do wherever I can. I exist for a short time and I take care of my own. I give my opinion on other countries, sure, and I try to be kind to everyone I meet who deserves kindness. But I do not want to be an activist for someone else's cause
The article didn't break any constraint. The editors approved it. It's not like you know better than them. There is nothing clear from the UAE on this. These decisions are random, but that's not the topic. The topic is how ridiculous it is to close a magazine for an article, for a country that seems so sensitive about its image. If anything, this will tarnish their image even more.
Did you get to read the article? Because I really want to know what one can write about increased fuel prices that could be controversial.
Every country has its disadvantages. The advantages of living in UAE greatly outweigh some censorship issues. I hope the people who were fired find employment though
I think The idea of being terminated and deported in 1 day is a great disadvantage...
That's fine, we don't care. We prefer the security and safety over the right to say whatever - totally worth the trade off imo.
What trade off? Imagine being an employee in this company and finding yourself fired because one journalist wrote an article that was deemed fine by editors but someone high up hated it?
And how is this article against safety and security?
The editor had to adhere to the country’s rules, that’s unfortunate for the people that became jobless because of his failure to comply, however our country is very clear when it comes to voicing your concerns or complain about something, don’t undermine the country for a rule you disagree with and I think that line was crossed, but I would have to read the actual article to come to that conclusion.
The journalists and editors deemed the article to be safe to publish. I am sure they have more experience with these things than me and you. And there is nothing clear about the country's rules. A story can be seen as normal by me and negative by you. This is not black or white. We all ranted here about crazy petrol prices. Was that negative and worthy of legal pursuits or just inoffensive online discussions?
And most importantly, why would you fire a team for this or close the business? Why just not pull the article or write a follow up article to clarify things, instead of acting like a dictator and confirming the negative press about you?
The heavy-handed retaliation is the point here. Articles get removed from publications every now and then. None of them makes it to the international media. This one did because of the jerk reaction.
Security and safety of who exactly?
Dam I saw “Mass firing” and thought it meant “Mass shooting” … no way!
typical western click bait article
The story I heard from an ex employee at Alroya was actually different. He said most staff were let go (including him) due to the merger with CNN. It seems like a more logical reason to me.
I'd rather believe a well investigated article by a famous newspaper than some "trust me bro" type of information from a random Reddit user.
dont worry. western news like painting a worse picture. first giveaway was the clickbait title. OP himself did not read the article and kept commenting about how EVERYONE was fired due to the petrol price article that was posted.
downvote me to oblivion but I am honestly glad there is no “freedom of speech” here. people are always going to find something to complain about and even blame.
and everyone here thinking those countries with “freedom of speech” are actually free, guess what? they’re not. there’s a difference between ranting cause you dont like the situation and advocating for a change, and in that regard there’s a right and wrong place to voice things.
The difference is that in a free country, people are free to keep their mouth shut if they don't like freedom of speech like you. Those who like it are free to enjoy it.
In dictatorships, everybody has to keep their mouth shut. That is the difference.
Your freedom of speech has to be published for thousands or millions of people to hear it?
Of course. Broadcasting news to the audience is the job of a journalist. That's how we have constructive criticism and debates.
Do you have any issue with people expressing their opinions and sharing their stories?
read what I said again? first you misread the article you post and now my comment?
Consider yourself downvoted.
the pot calling the kettle black.
I don't think you understand how that phrase works.
I can’t believe some people have this mentality in 2022 🤦🏼♂️
Hehe like in China and Russia🤣👍🏻 propaganda at its best.
Any decent news organisation knows UAE is not known for its free and unfiltered reporting. Better luck going to Tunis or Lebanon even.