DBZ Gogeta VS. DBZ Broly
By - deeganthevegan
Z Gogeta wins pretty handily
Fusion reborn Gogeta low diff Broly without a problem.
well yeah, low diff and no problem are practically the same
I think he means that Gogeta would have low difficulty at worst. "No problem" is a curbstomp or even a one shot, which is what I think the fight would actually be
no idea whose been saying broly wins but gogeta stomps.
broly was beaten by the combined power of the z fighters,
gogeta is many many times stronger than the z fighters put together, and so is many times stronger than broly.
outside of vegito no one in the z era can beat gogeta.
>no idea whose been saying broly wins but gogeta stomps.
It was more of an argument in the 2000s. Back when "Broly destroyed the South Galaxy" was taken literally.
Did those people read DB Multiverse or something?
That any in the movie " my Ki is rising blah blah blah"
I get it, Broly is supposed to be “the most powerful villain” according to the main writer of the movies, but he’s not really that powerful all things considered. Gogeta wins
He isn’t though. The main writer was extremely bias and even in those interviews he wasnt serious. The guy who made lord slug could have said he’s the strongest in the series and that wouldn’t mean shit. These guys don’t have the authority to say their non canon characters are the strongest.
That was the point
Vegeta did said ranks dont matter, its only at that point of time and ever changing. No one is the most powerful.
I’m literally saying he’s not the strongest. Him being the strongest was based off of a bias creator statement.
Not a chance.
Yea, a Cell Saga Goku sprinkled with some Cell Saga Z-Fighter help beat ZBroly.
ZGogeta was LEAGUES ahead of SS3 Goku which struggled against Janemba, who had his respective ass kicked in less than a minute or two.
who are these "lot of people" and why haven't they watched either movie?
Exactly, WHO said this?
Gogeta with ease. Broly is around the strength of super perfect Cell, most likely a bit stronger. Gogeta easily defeated Super Janemba, who was comparable to Buuhan, who is leagues stronger than Cell, and significantly stronger than SSJ3 Buu saga Goku
He's less than SPC. It took a ssj2 to defeat him. Broly was just taken out by a ssj
An enhanced SSJ, elevating his power a decent amount
Yeah but I'm pretty sure it's nowhere near ssj2 level
Hard to tell, but I'd say Goku at the very end of the first Broly movie was at least half way between SSJ and SSJ2 in terms of power
It was a funky thing, apparently Goku hit the weak spot with that Uber punch where Broly was stabbed in the chest as a newborn.
I do like that explanation, but I still feel that Goku needed to be beyond a SSJ to hit it with enough power to 'kill'
Yeah, I also dont think Toriyama and co expected Broly to be so popular, only movie character to be made canon. His power ceiling was also left incredibly amiguous, we see him thrash the whole team at the same time but gets killed by a weak spot and not definitively beaten as so many others. But at the end of the day - BROLY BROLY BROLY BROLY!
He's such dumb, but he's so cool, but he's so goddam dumb!
Abridged nailed it. Such a stupid origin story, yet such a cool villain.
Broly was stabbed in the chest. Goku punched Broly in the abs
Go watch the movie
Go do something I already did, just to check something that I'm certain of? Nah
Z Broly is easily WAY stronger than anything in the original manga (and easily Cell) based on feats, statements and author intent from the writers. The 13 Z movies were not written to powerscale with the main continuity (except Bojack Unbound). Z Broly wiped out almost 1/4 of the living universe (the South Quadrant) is a short time, while SPCell is only Solar System level at best.
This claim has been debunked numerous times. The 13 DBZ movies DO NOT powerscale to the canon series at all (except Bojack Unbound). Toriyama himself said that those 13 films take place in alternative timelines and realities from the main one. For example, Tree of Might takes place during the late Saiyan arc yet Goku in that movie had a base PL of 30,000 and could Kaioken x10 without any problems (meanwhile in canon, Goku only had a PL of 8,000+ and could only use up to Kaioken x4 for a few seconds).
Based on feats, statements and author's intent from the writer of the 13 Z films, Z Broly is stronger than anything made before Battle of Gods, including even GT. This is the same Broly who in just his nerfed Restrained SSJ1 form easily destroyed most of the South Quadrant (which is 1/4 of Universe 7's mortal universe) in just a short period of time. He is WAY above Super Perfect Cell and anything in the Buu saga based off that alone.
The same Broly that was defeated by an enhanced cell saga SSJ Goku, then later defeated by Buu saga SSJ Gohan, Goten and Goku. He is not stronger than Buuhan
That was not "Cell Saga Goku" at all, and the characters in the sequel aren't their Buu Saga selves either. Cell doesn't even seem to exist in the Z movie's continuity at all. Z Broly destroying 25% of the mortal universe in a short time (even without using LSSJ) makes him way stronger than anything in the original manga.
The 13 Z movies DO NOT have the same powerscaling as the canon series, except the Bojack film. Just because a movie takes place during the Cell Games doesn't mean the characters are necessarily equal to their canon Cell Saga versions.
They are. Obviously the movies are a different time line, but all the movie villains can be equated to canon villains; at least approximately equated
In the movie timeline, the first Broly movie takes place in the week before the cell games. Therefore, all z-fighters are approximately the same strength as they would be at that time. Same goes for the sequel film
1 galaxy is not 25% of the universe, that has never been stated
No, most Z movie villains can't be equated to canon Z villains for multiple reasons (Bojack is the only exception because he was flat out stated to be equal to Perfect Cell). Tree of Might is the obvious example why this is so (Base Goku's PL was 30,000 in that movie, even though it takes place during the Saiyan Saga where Base Goku's PL should only be 8,000+).
Also, "galaxy" is a fan mistranslation. The actual Japanese word used in the movie actually means "quadrant".
I mean, we don't really know how strong DBZ Broly was. For all we know, he could've been stronger than buuhan. Though I do agree that Z Gogeta would beat the crap out of Z Broly (since he did defeat Janemba, who was kicking A SSJ3 Goku who was stronger than in the Buu arc, with ease), I don't think not would be as one sided as everyone claims.
We know how strong he was. He was defeated by a cell saga SSJ Goku who received a boost from cell saga Gohan, Vegeta, piccolo and future Trunks. How much of a boost Goku received is the unknown, but it was enough to defeat Broly. Broly is definitely not stronger than Buuhan
Though to he fair, he did come back for another 2 movies, so I wouldn't say beat per se. But that's the thing, they needed to pool their energy just to make a difference against him - and he survived for two more movies only being defeated by Buu Saga level Goku, Gohan, and Goten (and only after they combined their might).
He was beaten in the first film, coming back doesn't mean he didn't lose. He was able to overpower a Buu saga SSJ Gohan, who was the strongest living fighter attacking him. However, Buu saga SSJ Gohan and Goten were holding their own, only winning when Goku helped.
In bio Broly, he comes back weaker. Defeated by SSJ Goten and Trunks, plus krillin
That kinda does cement my original point - if he was holding his own against Buu saga gohan and Goten, only losing after Goku showed up, then he was Buu saga level if not higher in his physical prime. That's why I'm saying that Gogeta wouldn't have it so smoothly since Broly is just a powerhouse.
The movie leaves it ambiguous as to whether or not Goku was actually there, contributing in a physical sense vs just acting as moral support to them. This was potentially a weakened Super Saiyan Gohan and Super Saiyan Goten that managed to overpower him, whereas Gogeta is lightyears ahead of them in terms of power.
Fair point, but I doubt moral support would give them the boost they needed against a powerhouse like broly (I know someone is gonna bring this up, Super Perfect Cell and Gohan were similar in terms if strength due to Cell's zenkai boost. Gohan only beat him cause he went all out after a pep talk from Goku. Hohan, who would've been the backbone of the assault if Goku wasnt there, wouldn't have been able to push broly back because he was weakened as you've said.
This is early buu arc gohan. The one vegeta stated was weaker than when he fought cell
That's a different continuity. The supplement material for Broly 2nd Coming said that Gohan continued his training after Goku died (unlike in canon). So Gohan in that movie should be much stronger than his canon Buu Saga self.
Gogeta is still significantly stronger than the 3 Buu saga super saiyans
Who is "we"? I know how strong he was as does a good majority of the fanbase.
Broly would lose to ss2 teen goban
No he wouldn't. Z Broly > The Entire Buu Saga based on feats and statments
Hell no u on crack
The movies and the main series DO NOT have the same powerscaling nor continuity. Z Broly wiped out almost 25% of the mortal universe without going LSSJ, SSJ2 Teen Gohan is only Solar System Level at best.
Universe 7 is trash it’s only z fighters and we know this now.
When I said Z Broly wiped out 25% of the mortal universe I was referring to its galaxies & such, not just the people in them.
It’s 12 universes and he only was in 1. That universe is very weak as stated by the grand priest. Only threats are Goku and friends. It’s not a feat that Broly destroyed %25 of that universe.
You clearly can't read lol. I said Z Broly blew up numerous galaxies, not just the people in them. Cell at his best can only destroy a Solar System.
Idc how many galaxies he blew up. He got punched in the stomach and died
That's a really stupid argument lol. First of all, Broly actually survived the attack (that's why he's in the sequel), second, it was an boosted Goku that punched him in his weak spot. Third, it says nothing about how strong he is compared to anyone in canon
Damn I forgot how bat shit crazy old broly fans were. Haven’t seen anyone wank him in years. Gogeta probably wins in just his base forms. But for some reason z broly fans were under the assumption that he because it took 5 ss level guys to beat him then he’s as strong as a ss5 and anything under that wouldn’t stop him.
Broly gets wanked constantly. Especially after Heroes brought him back. They brought him to up to insane levels.
Perfect Cell has better feats than DBZ Broly. The Broly fans really were something
Z Broly was literally destroying galaxies inside the southern galaxy basically he was ripping apart the universe and this was in his restricted form which is weaker than his base form that is literally the best feat that anyone has ever done in the entire Z series
The South Galaxy is literally just a singular galaxy, seeing how the movie opening treats it as one. DBZ Broly has never destroyed any galaxy in his life, and I expected a "galaxy buster" to have galaxy busting abilities. Gogeta one shots Broly
It was only in recent years (once Super came out) that it was ever actually established with any definitiveness to be a section that contained a vast number of galaxies. Beforehand, it was considered quite vague, with Toei showing one thing and the Daizenshuu suggesting another (though at the same time also suggesting the same thing that Toei was).
Beforehand, it was legitimately just treated as 4 galaxies making up the universe, not quadrants, but galaxies specifically.
I'm well aware of that, which is why I brought up that the Daizenshuu suggested otherwise (but even it isn't 100% clear on the matter), because that content comes from the Daizenshuu.
In the movie Broly stated he was going to destroy the south galaxy over time in his base he was attacking it the movie made no indication that it was one singular galaxy so how tf was it treated like there was only 4 galaxy they made no indaction there was so they have the right confirm shit when ever they want you can’t say “oH tHey tReATeD iT lIkE tHeRe wAs FoUr gAlAxIeS” when they didn’t they stated that to end the confusion and they stated that numerous times
Broly attacked one single galaxy over the course of his life, from when he was a child to when he was just finishing up at the start of the 8th movie, and we see the single galaxy at the very start of the movie that's showing us the overall end result of what he did.
Gogeta slaps him no difficulty
All evidence points to Gogeta being the winner. His base super saiyan power completely demolishes Goku as a super saiyan 3. Broly at his strongest (via zenkai boost in movie 10). Fought and beat Gohan as a depowered super saiyan 2. I love Z Broly, but the official data we have proves Gogeta is superior.
Depowered ssj2? The Gohan broly fought was a Gohan who was said to be stronger than his M8 self which is kinda big seeing as even though they were getting thrashed Broly didn't outright kill them and M10 Gohan did put up a fight against a zenkai'd Broly
Where was it said he's stronger than his movie 8 self? Gohan says to himself he should be stronger against Broly, but he isn't due to his lack of training.
Not sure if they have the line in the dubbed version, but in subbed Gohan says it himself that he should be stronger than his last encounter with broly and if we're assuming that m8 scales up with cell saga(which it doesn't) then m10 Gohan should be stronger than his m8 self
I mean that doesn’t mean anything his M8 self is a lot weaker than his cell games counterpart, so yeah a depowered ssj2 gohan
When was that stated? If anything everyone in m8 might be stronger than their cell saga counterparts. Seeing as they were at least not dead yet from getting beaten by an enemy stronger than super perfect cell.
The fact that the movie came out before the cell games lol. Or how about that goku and gohan weren’t staying in SSJ like they were before the cell games. Not hard to figure out
That's assuming that the same events happen, like toriyama said the movies take place in a alternate dimension so comparing them is all you can do but when their are huge differences in the power of the characters. Also what you said proves my point on it. Goku and Gohan weren't in their super saiyan forms but Gohan was still a super saiyan.
Broly is Super Saiyan 2 tier at best whereas Base Gogeta is much stronger than Super Saiyan 3 Goku, so Gogeta would naturally win very easily.
DBZ Gogeta stomps DBZ Broly effortlessly. Broly is Cell level at best. Gogeta is Buuhan level.
Gogeta wo breaking a sweat
Gogeta, easily. He's composed of vegeta and goku who are stronger than the ones who helped beat broly, they may not have trunks and gohan but 7 years of training plus fusion multiplier more than make up for it.
Is this even a question? All it takes to take movie 10 Broly il movie 12 ssj goku
Gogeta if we low ball Gogeta and high ball Broly then Gogeta is still strong then ssj3 Goku and ssj2 Vegeta while Broly is probably a bit weaker then perfect Cell.
Gogeta one shots
DBZ Gogeta stomps effortlessly. He easily beat Janemba who was stronger than a SSJ3
DBZ Broly maxes out at the border of SSJ2 where Dabaura and Super Perfect Cell are.
You do know that SSJ3 Goku in movie 12 is way weaker that the one in canon right 🤦🏾♂️
Well 1) where is that stated? 2) Even if it was weaker than Canon SSJ3, that's still a massive gap compared to a SSJ2.
Number one in canon when Goku was transforming into ssj3 he ki was sense through Kai world his ki was traveling throughout the universe so that places Goku multi galaxy in the movie Goku only shocked the universe and his ki was not sense through the Kai world he wouldn’t be universal that would make him multi solar system reason why for example if I shock my car it doesn’t mean I can destroy my car just like Goku shock the universe that doesn’t mean he can destroy a universe NUMBER 2 Broly in the movie was destroying galaxies in the southern galaxy basically ripping apart the universe and you know what’s funny IT WAS IN HIS RESTRICTED FORM WHICH IS WEAKER THAN HIS BASE FORM 💀 that is literally the best feat in the entire Z series that puts base Broly either multi galaxy or universal so in conclusion BROLY SOLOS Z
Gogeta this isn’t close broly lost to a ssj1 goku
That LSSJ3 Broly from that weird movie where Goku fused with the audience might win lol.
That wasn't broly as a super saiyan 3. That was Broly God, a form equal to super saiyan blue.
Not saying m12 gogeta wouldn't abosultly slap m10 broly cause he would but m8 broly is at least buu saga tier. My evidence is that he destoryed a galaxy which makes him already solar system to multi-solar sytem level. He also was stated that over his life time he would destory the universe. Kid buu was also stated that he'd destory the universe over time as well. But big difference is that Broly would've done it a lot quicker than Kid Buu. Seeing as it was implied it'd be in 1,000+ years for buu but for Broly he has like 50 - 60 years left before he gets old. So with a sprinkle of wank maybe even be low galaxy level.
m12 Goku isn't no slouch though since he shook the entire afterlife which is about the size of the universe which is iirc a bare minium Galaxy - Multi Galaxy feat so if I'm being 100% honest if it's just Goku then Goku would have some trouble fighting Broly but Gogeta slaps.
Your evidence might as well be nothing. It’s not like broly one shotted the galaxy he was just going from planet to planet
Statements and feats mean nothing? besides even if broly was just going planet to planet the fact that his speed would be that high to destory the universe in his life span just by going from planet to planet then he'd still be fast enough to pull of the level of feats.
Just because you shock a universe doesn’t mean you are universal like if shock my car that doesn’t mean I’m car level his ki wasn’t sense throughout the universe his ki wasn’t at all by the Kais like in canon, canon did that M12 ssj3 Goku is multi solar system level I have calculations for that so
Buu saga Base Goku >>>>> M12 SSJ3
>Just because you shock a universe doesn’t mean you are universal like if shock my car that doesn’t mean I’m car level his ki wasn’t sense throughout the universe his ki
His ki was sense from a universal range though, [https://www.kanzenshuu.com/guides/gods/universe/afterlife\_info.png?x19114](https://www.kanzenshuu.com/guides/gods/universe/afterlife_info.png?x19114), The grand kai planet is about 2 areas a way with each area arguably being a universe in size for each. in which he was shaking all the way up till the grand kai planet. Where they could sense his energy. His power would at least be galaxy level then. Also canon Goku wasn't affecting the kai relam but could only be sensed
Goku was all they way from earth not even in the after life his ki was sense in the Kai world Goku ki has a larger range i never said it was was effecting the Kai realm it was sense it has a way father range that makes that feat better than m12 it was never stated the Kai’s sensed him https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Kepekley23/Energy_Required_to_Shake_the_Universe I have the calculations right here
Broly is maximum and his dingus is so scrumptious. He effortlessly nukes Gogeta.💩
Idk why you're getting downvoted, what you said is a solid fact.
They be mad Broly stylin' on them.
The only sound argument in this thread
You'd think! But people appear to need more convincing as they still think a lowly monkey can beat a godly Legendary Super Saiyan...
Dbz Broly stomps. The main screen director for the dbz movies, Takao Koyama, said in an interview that "Even including the TV anime, nobody exists in the world who's stronger than Broli." As much as I personally feel like Dbz Gogeta should win, he's a movie character and thus weaker than Broly.
Says Broly is the strongest, then says each new foe he has to escalate their power.
Meaning anyone after Broly is stronger.
That would put Bojack above Broly, who is comparable to Cell
He was obviously joking. He doesn’t have the authority to say his non canon ss1 villain is stronger then buu or ss3 goku or fusion. He was also very bias because of his involvement in broly. His opinion (that wasn’t even completely serious) doesn’t means shit.
I forgot about that, yeah Broly slaps
When Goku got some energy from a few weakened fighters, he became stronger than Broly. Gogeta is far stronger than SSJ3 Goku, who should be stronger than all of them combined.
Well Fusion Dance was recently retcon to not just be the combined might but there's also a boost multiplier on top of it like the potara earrings.
Do we take account that retcon?
It has always been that way.
In the 90s it was not.
I want to see it
Where is said that
That doesn't make any sense. It was never said in the first place prior to Super. Everyone had assumed the Fusion dance only combined the power of the two warriors and the Potara added the powers **of the two and then some.**
Go dig up post and debates between fans prior to super coming out in the 90s.
You have the scans of what Goku says about Fusion?
Show me where in the scans prior to super where it says fusion dance adds a multiplication. Let me know if you find it.
Volume 23 page 134 on Viz.
Goku- "But when they do they become greater than the sums of their power"
That means in the 90s straight from the manga Goku explained there was a boost beyond adding powers.
I've only been on the forums maybe 12yrs but I never heard anyone say otherwise even before Super.
But it never said "**multiplies**" that's a huge difference.
Wasn't DBZ Broly no match for a SSJ2? Gogeta could probably nuke him without transforming
Gohan was a super saiyan 2 in movie 10 against Broly. He scored some hits but it definitely wasn't enough. However Gohan was weaker than his younger self against Cell.
Well even so, Gogeta from Fusion Reborn one shots Super Janemba who was shitting on SSJ3 Goku so he can probably blink and turn Broly into dust
Gogeta would win easily, he was able to defeat janemba easily that probably had a power similar to buuhan, for broly i think that his maximum power might be a little stronger than ss2 gohan, halfway to ss3 goku (thats what i think and might be wrong) but also let's not forget that gogeta is able to use ss2 and ss3 so even if broly is able to surpass ss gogeta (but i dont think he would be able to do that) ss2 gogeta and ss3 gogeta would have a very easy fight
Broly gets mangled. He was a little stronger than Cell. Janemba is a (later form) Boo equivalent, and Gogeta beats him in essentially two moves.
Movie 8 Broly = Full Power Perfect Cell
Movie 10 Broly = If you believe Movie 10 Gohan > Cell Games Gohan, than I *guess* he's stronger than Super Perfect Cell, but [SSJ2 Goku wasn't too worried to fight Broly](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxbvBZZS3JU)
I like DBZ Broly, but any Buu would trash him. Janemba and Hirudegarn could poke Broly and he would instantly die
Toriyama himself said that the 13 Z movies all take place in alternative dimensions from the main series. They do not powerscale with the main series at all (except Bojack Unbound) and just because a film took place in a certain time period doesn't mean the characters are equal to their canon selves from that period.
Broly destroyed a quarter of the universe in the span of a few seconds in his restricted form alone, i think people just don't get that movies and the main show are completely separate timelines with different power scales.
As for the matchup, Broly slaps.
> Broly destroyed a quarter of the universe in the span of a few seconds
no he didnt. he destroyed south galaxy and it wasnt over seconds it was over a long period of time and we dont know that it was in his restricted form either.
>he destroyed south galaxy
That's a quarter of the universe, DBZ movie universe is composed of 4 galaxies.
>it wasnt over seconds it was over a long period of time
Kaiosama reacts to it in real time and says 'The south galaxy IS BEING attacked', if it was over a long period of time then we wouldn't have seen his reaction as he would have already know about it and he would just say 'South Galaxy has been being attacked'
And he can follow MFTL ships so it doesn't make sense that he would just find out years later after it started being attacked.
>we dont know that it was in his restricted form either
Except we know that Broly hadn't broken the Tiara thing ever since Paragus put it on him, and that was prior to the beggining of the movie so it was before Broly destroyed South Galaxy.
> Kaiosama reacts to it in real time and says 'The south galaxy IS BEING attacked', if it was over a long period of time then we wouldn't have seen his reaction as he would have already know about it and he would just say 'South Galaxy has been being attacked'
It isn't his jurisdiction to be paying attention to, so he only just found out about it as it was nearing the end of its overall destruction. Broly was ravaging the Southern Galaxy for years, not just that single moment.
Sounds like headcanon when we literally see it being destroyed in real time, but even if you downplay the feat to it being done throughout the span of a few years it's still a Kid Buu level feat.
We see him beginning his destruction of the Southern Galaxy when he's a kid though. Those two moments when we get the flashbacks from Paragas's point of view were moments of his destruction of the galaxy.
We're never told that in the movie though? the destruction of South Galaxy is always mentioned like something recent, not something that has been happening for a long time, also Paragus puts him the Tiara after that flashback of when he's a kid but before the attack we see at the beginning of the movie.
No, the destruction of the Southern Galaxy is something that's mentioned as just ongoing. Nothing about his dialogue indicates that it's just started happening. Furthermore, it wouldn't make sense to assume it all happened in one swath, because there are a multitude of planets that we see (including New Vegeta) that were still left completely intact.
This moreso indicates that it was something that he picked and chose how he was attacking, rather than just one massive attack.
Z Broly wins he can literally solo Z