Why Kami and Demon king piccolo were so weak
By - Nrvea
i think it’s really chalked down to them being separated, but the difference being that they’re actually one being, piccolo fusing with kami made him the strongest character in db at one point, and that’s with piccolos already high power compared to kamis low power
I reason that their split didn't just cause their current power to get chopped in half, but it also crippled their potential for growth. Each time Piccolo merged with someone, he not only got an immediate large power boost, but he was also able to get WAAAAY stronger than usual through training afterward.
So if the Son of Katatz had never pursued the role of Earth's god and thus never had a need to split himself, then he probably would have also ended up with a PL much greater than Kami or Piccolo separately, and not been so easily beaten by Nappa.
Yea according to guru the original would have been able to beat first form frieza with ease
No, that was never actually said. You're conflating that with what Nail said after meeting Piccolo, who was *already* much stronger than he was back on Earth.
I'm nearing the end of the Namek saga right now and Guru did in fact say that. Kami was way stronger than an average Namekian before he split.
Yes, the Grand Elder did say that the Son of Katatz was a prodigy who shouldn't have been beaten by any normal Saiyan. But he never proposes that he could defeat *Freeza*. Only Nail says that after meeting a post-Kaio-training Piccolo who's already much stronger.
You could be right. I might be mistaking with how Vegeta shouldn't of been able to defeat him. I'm not gonna go dig up the episodes to find it so I won't argue! Lol
Vegeta wasn't a normal Saiyans, just saiyan.
Are most Namekians that strong? Nail was way stronger than Demon King Piccolo, but is he representative of the average Namekian?
It might also be relevant that Kami/Piccolo grew up away from the rest of their species. Perhaps there were specific things about Namekian biology that they were just never taught, which stunted their strength for a while.
Nail is far above the average namekian. He’s like an insane outlier but the average namekian is still significantly stronger than kami
The average Namekian was actually the same as Kami, around 100-200.
If I remember right the 3 warrior types that showed up to defend the village and got merc’d by Dodoria were around ~3k, significantly stronger than raditz. I’d assume with Kami and Piccolo splitting into 2 reduced their power exponentially in the same way merging increased it vastly.
i think you're right
like piccolo and nail put together would've had a power level of a few hundred thousand, instead it was a couple million, then when he fuses with kami who had a power of 300 he ends up being over 50x stronger as he outpaces the super saiyans.
also should note magic seems to be irrespective of power level, like babidi and moro both were quite weak but could pull of some stuff, i imagine that the makers of the dragon balls derive more power from magic as opposed to raw battle power.
so it's possible the nameless namekian wasn't god tier strong but was about as strong as android era piccolo with crazy magic abilities like the other guardians. so i think the magic would've also been diminished somehow.
If Piccolo and Nail defused and trained together in the hyperbolic time chamber, then re-fused, they'd be unstoppable.
And now that vegeta has FSF, he can do that!
Also the G-Force on Namek is definitely a few times bigger than Earth.
Is it? I dont remember them mentioning it and bulma seemed to be walking around fine.
The answer is easy, the namekians plot point is something more recent that toriyama hadn't planned at the time of piccolo daimaoh.
He just had to be a demon back then, so it is contraddictory to the newer plot of namek
Probably just story wise. Since they were introduced at the beginning of the series when power levels were under 50,000.
The Namekian fusion increases power a hell of a lot. Before fusing with Kami, two shots from 17 Koed him. After that, he could go foe to toe with him, resulting in one of the best and underrated fights in DB.
Piccolo died by nappa's attack. After training with king Kai and fused with nail, he could beat 2nd Form Frieza. From 3,500 (max power against Nappa) to over 1,000,000. That's a pretty big jump.
But I don't think it works exactly like the potara multiplier, i.e., multiplying the base form PLs of the fused fighters. Nail was 42,000 and even considering piccolo's base in battle of the saiyans, ie., 1220. If multiplied, it becomes around 51,000,000. The Namekian fusion might be less stronger than the potara or metamorise, but it's still very efficient.
> But I don't think it works exactly like the potara multiplier, i.e., multiplying the base form PLs of the fused fighters.
potara doesnt work like that either.
Potara Fusion: X’s battle power x Y’s battle power
Super Exciting Guide: Story Volume-p.63
That would explain why it’s so broken lol
Does the fusion dance have the same multiplier
Probably. They did say Blue Vegito and Blue gogeta are almost equal in power.
When and where was that stated?
There was a shounen jump infographic that showed up around the time the Broly movie came lot. Lots of fans debated on it too
Link : https://twitter.com/Herms98/status/1071472944780472320?s=20
There's discrepancy with that, as one of the ways that's been translated by reliable translators isn't that it's speaking of the two forms of fusion being equal in power, but both are just equally "reliable" in being trump cards to end a fight. That both options produce a fighter so powerful that they're most assuredly going to win, not that they both produce an equally powerful fighter.
The words used were "equally matched ultimate trump cards". Seems like they're more or less equal.
Even generally speaking, it's hard to differentiate the two. They're so equally matched it's difficult to pick a winner.
"If you’re a master of origami, you might be able to twist that into some shape that doesn’t spell Gogeta=Vegetto." These are Herm's words and he's pretty reliable within the community.
I know Herms' stance on the matter, but I'm just saying that other translators of similar reliability have weighed in that it doesn't involve their actual strength, just the methods of fusing are of equal reliability for winning a battle. Which is why I say that it's not cut and dry just yet as far as if the two produce an equally powerful fighter or not.
I mean they where spit and both really old
The average power level of Namekians is actually only 100-200 (where Dende sits at). The only few Namekians with power levels above that were from special clans (like Nail). So King Piccolo and Kami were actually normal by Namek standards.
Yeah, sounds about right, that's why they were so much stronger when they refused
it probably contributed to the environment. earth human power level is very low which is affected picollo growth.