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To everyone here: Stop directing your hate towards Muhajjirs because of shitty writing. I assure you that the majority of us don't prescribe to this sort of thinking. While many of us do recognize that we have roots, we all saw the necessity of Pakistan, hence the reason we immigrated.
Don't counter hate and erasure with more hate and erasure.
This. If you look at elections and whatnot from the time you can see that the Muslim league and pakistan was significantly more popular in places like central India and bengal then in modern day pakistan where they had not experienced living as a minority. Most areas were either run by King's or won by provincial secular parties (for example the unionists in punjab.)
It's incredibly frustrating that after nearly 75 years we still have to justify our existence. There are many nations (peru, argentina, like 90% of African nations) that simply exist without specific reasons of ethnicity or religion. So why does two nation theory even have to be debated?! Right or wrong we have developed into our own people, just leave it for gods sake. It's so annoying.
it’s because pakistani identity is derived from being “not india”
is pakistanis became more confident about themselves as a country they wouldn’t be this defensive all the timr
This show is trash.
First of all, Muhajirs make up ONLY 10% of the Pakistani population.
Second, literally nobody in Pakistan complains about the Independence. You might find like 1 in literally 20M people who have weird thoughts like this. That’s it.
Third, they’re trying to appease Indians with this bullshit.
Fourth, majority of Pakistanis have very little in common in Indians.
No Old Englishman had this thought. It was the Muslims of the British Subcontinent who had this thought. The Muslims fought for this thought. And, no Muhajir cares about his “roots” in India. They cut off all their ties.
What else did one expect with Sharmeen as the team member of this show. I mean they’re casting Indians as Pakistanis and saying Indian phrases in this show just to try and appease Indians. Clowns.
It's not a bad show personally I like it but it's pandering to different people. It's still an achievement in south Asian representation. Hollywood might get as close to Pakistani actors as Bollywood is
I think That's Sharmeen Obaid Chinoy at work
Picking out the 1 in Million person with distorted views and portraying at Main Stream as Symbolism of All The Pakistanis(FYI :- I don't have any problem with her Oscar Winning Documentaries. But this is totally Absurd)
As a Pakistani, no hate to any Indians! If you’re going to make the characters Pakistani at least use Pakistani actors/actress. “Who cared its the same thing, plus its just a movie.”. Its not just a movie when they’re changing everything about the culture and the people. Like yay okay they got a Muslim character and smthn, but at least make it accurate.
“You’re overreacting. Calm down.” Im calm, but its really not fair how Indians and Pakistanis are seen as the same thing, but then somehow we hate each other?! We’re different and have many unique things.Get it right. You’re the one getting none of your nationalities mixed up.
Plus us Pakistanis dont think like that at all, that’s literal shit. The west will change so much for us to look ‘bad’ irl. Marvel could’ve done so much better.
Thank you for your time. 😚👍
Yeah the episode was good but this line of dialogue they kinda pulled out of their ass. Also jinnah is canon in THE MCU because there are newspaper clippings of him in Nani's room.
writer of this is pakistani, don't blame westerners. we only fuel their ignorance with idiotic historical erasure to appease some non-existent sentiment.
Yeah, as much as it would be easy to blame the diaspora, if you look at the Pakistan sub this is cross-posted from, it's really obvious how many pathetic POS "Pakistanis" are defending this sentiment and fuel this.
most pakistanis agree with the clip. pakistan is 75 year old artificial state. For centuries it was indian part. nothing wrong with the sentiment
you lot are having an existential crisis over this because it is so fuckin true
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Family migrated from Indian Occupied Kashmir ~35 years ago to Pakistan and Alhamdullilah our family and no one i know wants to live or go to India or have any sentiments attached other than "It was our homeland once"
2 nation theory is proved right time and time again.
As for the "In the shoe a particular person...." Read up spiral of silence theory and framing of news and media content/dialogue to understand the underlyinf implication and impact on younger audience.
It is pretty 'racist' if you start calling a struggle with millions of people sacrificing their lives to come live in a muslim country "Pointless" and "Some old englishmen decided" on an international tv series
Almost every "old man" or woman who used to live in "india" and migrated here has no romantic thoughts about British Raj like that. (Yes british raj because there was never an "india" before 1947 much like there was no pakistan)
This show is portraying a fictionalized and romanticized version of a bloody and also purposeful history of Muslims od sub continent
You're free to do any personal attack if you can idc
And My balls are free right now. Thanks for showing interest there.
We both know what you meant by "bihari", don't we?
You guys do know that Sharmeen Obaid directed this episode and not a westerner? No matter what the writer writes, at the end of the day its up to the director to choose which scene or dialogue makes it in the file.
For TV Shows from the likes of Disney, Netflix and such. A particular show can have multiple directors as each episode may require a different artistic element. This episode involved showing a lot of what Karachi is on the ground so having a director who knows first hand is obviously preferable.
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Damn they decided to just forget jinnah
Jinnah isn't canon to the MCU, but SRK is.
"What a time to be alive"
I thought Jinnah was the Englishman lol. He was the only one in the deciding parties who wanted Partition. (Albeit he didn't want it at first)
To everyone here: Stop directing your hate towards Muhajjirs because of shitty writing. I assure you that the majority of us don't prescribe to this sort of thinking. While many of us do recognize that we have roots, we all saw the necessity of Pakistan, hence the reason we immigrated. Don't counter hate and erasure with more hate and erasure.
This. If you look at elections and whatnot from the time you can see that the Muslim league and pakistan was significantly more popular in places like central India and bengal then in modern day pakistan where they had not experienced living as a minority. Most areas were either run by King's or won by provincial secular parties (for example the unionists in punjab.)
It's incredibly frustrating that after nearly 75 years we still have to justify our existence. There are many nations (peru, argentina, like 90% of African nations) that simply exist without specific reasons of ethnicity or religion. So why does two nation theory even have to be debated?! Right or wrong we have developed into our own people, just leave it for gods sake. It's so annoying.
it’s because pakistani identity is derived from being “not india” is pakistanis became more confident about themselves as a country they wouldn’t be this defensive all the timr
True. Many if not most writers were Pakistanis
This is outrageous. Pakistanis don't think like that at all, we don't have any desires like the one they wrote!
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Yay another reason why I won't watch this show
Same
Sem2sem saar
This show is trash. First of all, Muhajirs make up ONLY 10% of the Pakistani population. Second, literally nobody in Pakistan complains about the Independence. You might find like 1 in literally 20M people who have weird thoughts like this. That’s it. Third, they’re trying to appease Indians with this bullshit. Fourth, majority of Pakistanis have very little in common in Indians. No Old Englishman had this thought. It was the Muslims of the British Subcontinent who had this thought. The Muslims fought for this thought. And, no Muhajir cares about his “roots” in India. They cut off all their ties. What else did one expect with Sharmeen as the team member of this show. I mean they’re casting Indians as Pakistanis and saying Indian phrases in this show just to try and appease Indians. Clowns.
cope lmao
WTF is this "kum ba yah" shit? Hopefully the "RePrEsEnTaTioN MaTtErs" crowd can finally see this garbage for what it is.
I miss the good ol times when we used to be represented as Terrorists, Look at this now, WTF!
Yeah, like what just happened
Well that was better than this bs
Exactly
As a diaspora, I am so sorry.
How many episode are out? I knew this type of trash would appear within the first 5 episode.
This was the 4th.
That didn't take long. Lol!
People here are still discussing should pakistan exist or not😂😂
Who would have thought they went full sem2sem sar. What garbage.
Bhai yeh hum logo Kay nahi bani series it's made for American Pakistanis
I'm an American Pakistani. I don't watch this shit.
It's not a bad show personally I like it but it's pandering to different people. It's still an achievement in south Asian representation. Hollywood might get as close to Pakistani actors as Bollywood is
I think That's Sharmeen Obaid Chinoy at work Picking out the 1 in Million person with distorted views and portraying at Main Stream as Symbolism of All The Pakistanis(FYI :- I don't have any problem with her Oscar Winning Documentaries. But this is totally Absurd)
As a Pakistani, no hate to any Indians! If you’re going to make the characters Pakistani at least use Pakistani actors/actress. “Who cared its the same thing, plus its just a movie.”. Its not just a movie when they’re changing everything about the culture and the people. Like yay okay they got a Muslim character and smthn, but at least make it accurate. “You’re overreacting. Calm down.” Im calm, but its really not fair how Indians and Pakistanis are seen as the same thing, but then somehow we hate each other?! We’re different and have many unique things.Get it right. You’re the one getting none of your nationalities mixed up. Plus us Pakistanis dont think like that at all, that’s literal shit. The west will change so much for us to look ‘bad’ irl. Marvel could’ve done so much better. Thank you for your time. 😚👍
Yeah the episode was good but this line of dialogue they kinda pulled out of their ass. Also jinnah is canon in THE MCU because there are newspaper clippings of him in Nani's room.
writer of this is pakistani, don't blame westerners. we only fuel their ignorance with idiotic historical erasure to appease some non-existent sentiment.
Yeah, as much as it would be easy to blame the diaspora, if you look at the Pakistan sub this is cross-posted from, it's really obvious how many pathetic POS "Pakistanis" are defending this sentiment and fuel this.
until we don't do anything - we will forever allow the vultures to continue reaping our history and revising it till the lines are blurred.
Lol you consider hassan minhaj a pakistani? Kuddos son
i don't see why you'd downvote me for that lol - but if hassan minhaj is behind it then wtf lol.
Pretty sure Sharmeen's writing this, not Hasan unless I'm missing something
most pakistanis agree with the clip. pakistan is 75 year old artificial state. For centuries it was indian part. nothing wrong with the sentiment you lot are having an existential crisis over this because it is so fuckin true
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miss me with that saaar we sem2sem ja bay
Family migrated from Indian Occupied Kashmir ~35 years ago to Pakistan and Alhamdullilah our family and no one i know wants to live or go to India or have any sentiments attached other than "It was our homeland once" 2 nation theory is proved right time and time again. As for the "In the shoe a particular person...." Read up spiral of silence theory and framing of news and media content/dialogue to understand the underlyinf implication and impact on younger audience.
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It is pretty 'racist' if you start calling a struggle with millions of people sacrificing their lives to come live in a muslim country "Pointless" and "Some old englishmen decided" on an international tv series
Almost every "old man" or woman who used to live in "india" and migrated here has no romantic thoughts about British Raj like that. (Yes british raj because there was never an "india" before 1947 much like there was no pakistan) This show is portraying a fictionalized and romanticized version of a bloody and also purposeful history of Muslims od sub continent
Doesn’t matter the whole mcu is fake and faction.
I'm pretty sure ms. Marvel is bihari
Your grandmama mightve been bihari if I, just like you ASSUME you're a muhajir lmao
I'm also sure you just got your panties in a twist... And it's surprising because i didn't even make a personal attack or had any intentions to do so.
You're free to do any personal attack if you can idc And My balls are free right now. Thanks for showing interest there. We both know what you meant by "bihari", don't we?
If you really didn't care, you wouldn't even have bothered to reply. :D
I don't think we do.
You guys do know that Sharmeen Obaid directed this episode and not a westerner? No matter what the writer writes, at the end of the day its up to the director to choose which scene or dialogue makes it in the file. For TV Shows from the likes of Disney, Netflix and such. A particular show can have multiple directors as each episode may require a different artistic element. This episode involved showing a lot of what Karachi is on the ground so having a director who knows first hand is obviously preferable.