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The following submission statement was provided by /u/TreeLover4twenty: --- Submission statement: The Stand for Better [Twitter](https://twitter.com/standforbetter/status/1614007071988645889?s=46&t=5R1FkV7laC-FQ852sS3RNQ) account has a source that claims "this month several people are testifying in a SCIF with AARO Director Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick regarding historical UFO crash retrieval programs." It seems as no details will be shared to the public due to this being a SCIF meeting. What do you all think about this? --- Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/10b79ga/scif_meeting_on_historical_ufo_retrieval_programs/j48iyip/


devinup

Pretty cool if true. It's behind closed doors but the fact that it's happening at all is potentially a big deal.


Best-Comparison-7598

Post NDA, let’s pressure for public hearings


Delicious-Day-3332

I'm sorry, but people have been 'snookered' again! INSIDER INFORMATION behind CLOSED DOORS?! Contractor secrets. Military hardware. Methods research. BIG GOVERNMENT CONTRACTS! They're just DOING IT AGAIN! It's INFLUENCE PEDDLING 101, people! $$$$$$$$$


gerkletoss

SCIF means that either someone lied or someone commited a crime by talking about it.


InsouciantSoul

Can you elaborate on why you are claiming SCIF to mean that? I've not heard of an SCIF before today and thus have no context to better understand, however from my understanding of the UAP whistleblower protection, I have the impression that the use of an SCIF would just be standard protocol when attempting to blow the whistle on classified information while maintaining information security on the whistleblowers identity, etc.


Vindepomarus

A SCIF is a Sensitive Compartment Information Facility, which no one from the general public will ever get access to. The fact that some dude on twitter said "I can confirm" about it is laughable.


InsouciantSoul

Ah. Yeah I completely misread your comment and thought you meant a UAP whistleblower would not be using an SCIF. But yes this tweet and anyone who thinks it says anything meaningful is ignorant.


[deleted]

Uh what? Who said anything about getting access *to it*? He was simply told that it exists. That is not classified information as far as I know.


Slipstick_hog

Security on whisleblowers identity? We know already who many of these people are, they have been talking about this for 20-30+ years already, to deaf ears mostly. And they don't want to do this anonymously. That would just make their testemony less credible.


InsouciantSoul

So we are just going to run on the assumption that any and every single person wishing to bring information to Congress about potentially UAP related black ops programs is perfectly happy to let everyone involved know that they got snitched out by them? Even simply knowing the name and identity of a person involved in a black project could potentially lead someone outside to gain other information about a black ops program. Congress does not need to know their identity to vet the information because someone else has already taken care of that for them. I don't see how else they would go about releasing information out of a compartmentalized program in an official manner, as this also allows those involved to control what information they will allow to get to Congress...


wiserone29

You’re getting down voted but you are right. The tweet, if true would be investigated and someone would be going to going to prison for leaking the schedule of a SCIF.


AlarmedFlounder6890

They love to downvote the simple truth, increasingly common to downvote any legitimate skepticism in this sub.


Best-Comparison-7598

Yes you raise a good point and i by no means take anyone at their word anymore unless they’re willing to prove it in front of congress for their statements to at least be on record. Statements like this are just stories and we could solve a lot of divisiveness if these people just promise to testify. Public testimony however is a separate conundrum which remains to be seen….


HumanityUpdate

God I can only hope someone leaks something. ’Ive spoken with several credible people who claim the US has evidence of alien technology in its possession. These are indeed exciting times!" -Christopher Mellon


Slipstick_hog

The truth is that much of the testemony evidence these people are gonna provide is already public. They have been talking about it for decades, but noone but a few take them seriously. And most of them have stated they want to provide their testemonies to Congress. I guess if you browse CSETI testemony archive and other sources online you will find 90% of what information that will be provided by these whistleblowers.


InsouciantSoul

Would it make a difference? Unless tangible evidence is leaked, how can anyone know the apparent leak is the truth? I have way, way less confidence in any leaks or claims coming from the government than I do in your average redditor posting on r/aliens.


_basic_bitch

No, a leak probably wouldn't make a difference, but I still hope someone does it.


InsouciantSoul

I can respect that!


badlukk

Best take


HumanityUpdate

This is a species changing event, it only takes one person with loose lips and there are many of those in congress. There is no hiding this.


InsouciantSoul

Many people have claimed to know about aliens, it didn't change a thing. What about Bob Lazar? Obviously he is far from ever being a Congress member, but a Congress member could make lots of claims and the rest could simply deny it. I don't see how it would be any different.


Wips74

Lazar = proven liar


CapeCodGapeGod

Dudes a fraud.


[deleted]

What makes you certain?


CapeCodGapeGod

The Rogan interview he did.


[deleted]

Interesting, that turned me from someone who assumed he was full of it to someone who's open to it. Especially with the consistency between the things he's always claimed about the way they move and comments about the movements of what the military have observed. But at the end of the day it is a crazy story so I get it


CapeCodGapeGod

How can you even say that? Did you even watch it? I was all for Lazar before he went on Rogan. Anytime he was a asked a tough question that went against his narrative he answers with "I have a headache, I can't answer." Like what??? You've been selling this story for years and have millions tuning in on you and you answer with "I have a headache". Fuck off nerd. He loses all credibility after that. I'm more of jersey corebell fan now though.


RobAlso

Lmao Lazar haters always gonna hate, no matter what. He literally only said the migraines thing like 2 or 3 times in the 2+ hours he was there. And he still answered every question. If he wasn’t sure about something, he said so. And even that only happened a couple times. No one is going onto a podcast with millions and millions of viewers/listeners and trying to fake their way through it. They’d get called out instantly. Rogan calls people out all the time. He didn’t do that with Lazar.


[deleted]

Sighh . I've watched it many times. There isn't a single question he swerved, maybe he takes a moment, but if I knew that every answer I gave was going to be scrutinized then id wanna think clearly about the answers I gave. He said the headache was stress induced, if his story is true then he'd have reason to be stressed. Seems odd you can be into UFO conspiracies and government dark ops but you're out at some guy claiming he had a migraine 😂


HumanityUpdate

This was a bi partisan push in congress to establish AARO and to start understanding these entities. Everyone involved in this push understands the gravity of the situation.


InsouciantSoul

Maybe I am completely mistaken, but in my opinion, your implying that the members of Congress are working together to reveal information to the public for the benefit of the public is nothing but pure fantasy. I honestly hope I am wrong. I really do. Not going to hold my breath. The fact that it is a bipartisan effort only makes me more suspicious of what their real motive is. It's not like we don't already have ample reason to suspend belief and maintain suspicion on all aspects of the current government UAP push, led to popularity by a counter-intelligence agent. But of course, no matter how spoiled we are to have guys around such as John Greenewald putting on honest effort in to reveal actual, real life truth (rather than what they would like to believe to be true), everybody what can't live hearing anything that hurts their feelings is ready to shit talk him. People around here claim to want the truth while actively parading anti-truth activism in every single comment proudly bragging how they are so happy to be choosing and strengthening what they believe to be the absolute truth from random pictures online and any other unsourced empty information with no ties to reality which conveniently supports their current belief.


HumanityUpdate

If that makes you more suspicious that's on you. It is incredibly rare for either side to agree on something and to see leaders of both parties discussing the need for more to be done fills me with far more hope. You speak about the "truth" but what is the "truth". As far as I'm concerned the only "truth" that can be derived at this time is the fact that theres a non human intelligence on earth. I do agree with you that people take any random video and prescribe their beliefs to it. I doubt the people in the know can consolidate an overarching picture of what these things are.


InsouciantSoul

When you say my suspicions are "on me" are you suggesting my suspicion is unwarranted? Bipartisanship... yes, the rare occurrence that brought us the 342 page long Patriot Act conveniently waiting for a good boogeyman to warrant the beautiful moment of bipartisanship signing it into law. Oh but that was ages ago, USA can't be the same country who is waging war around the world bombing families in whichever country is next on the list, can it? Well, of course, they did again sign for the 22nd time the [9-11 National Emergency Act](https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2021/09/09/notice-on-the-continuation-of-the-national-emergency-with-respect-to-certain-terrorist-attacks/) because their CIA assets and their families are still alive and well in the middle east ready to get some passport photos done anytime CNN wants to celebrate by declaring [death for the 15th time.](https://www.corbettreport.com/baghdadi/)Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi Ah but that's off topic. Right. The Bipartisan effort behind the 2023 NDAA bill. The United States of America, the country who has actively been at war non stop since the two brief 1 year breaks from war in 2000 and 1997, and at continually at war every year before that since 1978. Only 15 years in total since 1776 has America not been at war. The highest military budget in the world since at least 1988, and by a massive margin. So why the bipartisan vote on the 2023 NDAA bill? Well, for one, it sets up all sorts of new types of cyber security programs. Brought to you by the same government full of people who just could not stop talking about how much Russia was influencing our elections and infiltrating our social media. Oh, oops, that all turned out to be false. But, well, just in case.. we better protect ourselves from Russia. Ah yes, Ukraine. Ukraine was a rarity in that it is one of very, very few countries in which the CIA's grass roots movement didn't work out exactly as planned back in 2014. Don't worry, they made it eventually, and now Ukraine is at war with Russia. Better make sure we sign into law a whole tonne of money to fund war. Did I mention America loves war? ... And you thought it was a bipartisan effort because they are working so hard to get US citizens the truth? This is what they say to the camera to keep you smiling and hoping, but most of all, to keep you from actually reading things like the 2023 NDAA bill, or the patriot act, or the countless other number of shady shit happening constantly to slowly strip away the freedoms of American citizens and people around the world. We have alien tech guys!! Keep your eyes on us!! What ? The globalist pandemic treaty law? Oh that's just to make sure next time there is a pandemic, every country in the world can take care of it's citizens almost as much as China did. Edit: Sorry I would be entirely at fault if I did not recognize the incredible bipartisan effort behind the signing of the NDAA 2022 bill which brought us the AARO office. But that's not all! It also funded countless billions of dollars for US Military contractor companies that can work outside the law because they have no government oversight. I hope all their fancy new weapons such as F-35 fighters, submarines, destroyers etc. Helps to find us those aliens. Oh, and they are building all those new bases on every damn piece of land they could find surrounding China! Maybe we will get lucky and that will aggravate them enough to start another war. Yay, war! I am just so grateful for the bipartisan effort that was put into signing the 2,186 page 2022 NDAA bill that is ofcourse all about showing the public the alien tech and has nothing at all to do whatsoever with waging war.


Agronut420

See my previous comment; Lazar had legit knowledge, but a ridicule-campaign has left him powerless…..go ahead and queue up a few “he’s a fake” responses you’re about to get, it’s the standard redditor response to the most legit leaker in UFOlogy


AVBforPrez

Yes, a guy who literally can't remember what years he went to school and has a degree from said school that they've never offered is one of the "most legit leakers in UFOLogy." He didn't actually provide anything new, he was just the first person to do a good job of repurposing multiple parts of UFOLogy at the time and put it in to a compelling new story. Every single part of his story has a very easy to identify source at this point, and nothing he's ever said has come true. I believed him for a long time, but once I decided to look at him closely while putting aside how much I wanted to believe him AND that he looks the part, it was stupidly obvious what a fucking joke he is. Even though he says his story has been consistent from Day 1, there's a site that compares interviews throughout the years and he's changed almost every major bullet point multiple times. We're not talking about minor things you could attribute to forgetting over time. Major, key details. The blind faith people have is wild, even if it's understandable, and this idea that anyone who says he's a fraud is some sort of CIA shill is laughable in 2023. He's never been hassled by the government or shut up because they're happy to let him continue to tell a fake story full of made up details and stolen ideas.


Agronut420

It’s interesting, but you just described exactly how I feel about all the “government insiders” like Mellon, Elizando, Nolan, etc, with the major difference being that they DO claim to have all the answers and evidence, but just cant get around those pesky NDAs and SOPs to tell us…at least Lazar has other witnesses to his harassment and the craft filmed in the desert


AVBforPrez

Elizondo is increasingly sketch I'll give you that. But Lazar doesn't have any witnesses that are not financially or reputationally attached to his story. The video is just a light in the sky and doesn't show anything interesting. Think about it, he supposedly has physical evidence that proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that we've been visited by aliens and that the laws of physics, which he claims to value so much, are not locked in. It's just sitting around somewhere and he can't show it because...wait, there's no good reason. OR he saw Element 115 in the May issue of 1985 scientific American and thought it sounded cool, and included it in his story. Which seems more likely to you?


InsouciantSoul

I won't claim to be able to prove you are wrong. But people who sway on either side of this argument need to try and be realistic about the difference between statements and facts. It never hurts to relish a little bit in the statements you wish to be true as long as you are able to accept you don't know the truth. Too much bullshit where people just want the truth. There are more than enough people who have looked down every inch of detail in Lazar's life. If there was demonstrable proof of his claims, we would know it by now.


futiledevices

What legit knowledge did he have? I'm not seeing a comment from ya with any.


SoulGuardian55

For such event there is need for more than just the words (even if a person telling the truth). Data, physical evidence, clear footage.


Agronut420

Maybe…I am amazed by the level of details included in the “Skinny Bob” video series, and regardless of any evidence to the contrary, I simply cannot convince myself that those clips are not exactly what they claim to be, which is insider-leaked footage of real, non-human humanoids that did not intend to be discovered. But, hardly anyone has even heard of the clips “how to drive” or “family vacation”, and many of those who’ve seen them simply say “it has to be fake”…even the best, legitimate leaks will be automatically ridiculed and cancelled by those with an agenda.


Inevitable_Oven6947

Can you please explain to the uninitiated what these two clips you mention are? Thank you in advance.


Decent-Flatworm4425

They’re video game cutscene-level CGI videos with numerous indicators of fakery that a small online community insists are real mid 20th century footage of a living alien.


Skeptechnology

They are debunked clips that were proven to be using FX filters to make the footage look aged.


triglm

It’s a hoax made as a kind of demo reel/ego trip by Ben Philips, aka u/Bedeekinben, who works in the movie industry in model making and special effects https://imdb.com/name/nm1592943/


SabineRitter

/r/skinnybob has what you seek.


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Delicious-Day-3332

THAT's PreCiSely the problem I see! Reports behind close doors?! Insider information!! No requirements to tell the public a DAMNED THING! Huge contracts. New technologies. Secret corporate agreements. IT'S JUST MORE COVERUP! Senators will get rich off secret deals, dark money ... Mark my word!


TreeLover4twenty

Submission statement: The Stand for Better [Twitter](https://twitter.com/standforbetter/status/1614007071988645889?s=46&t=5R1FkV7laC-FQ852sS3RNQ) account has a source that claims "this month several people are testifying in a SCIF with AARO Director Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick regarding historical UFO crash retrieval programs." It seems as no details will be shared to the public due to this being a SCIF meeting. What do you all think about this?


[deleted]

Being in a SCIF just means they want to keep it secret for now. What if one of the UFOs found happened to be a U.S. drone that was being worked on or counter intelligence from a craft built by a foreign adversary? They don’t want that kind of info(especially if it’s U.S. built) getting out. Anything g to do with UAP/UFO is going to start as classified, hence the SCIF.


InsouciantSoul

Being in a SCIF means what now? Anyone in the government or private sector involved in any 'UAP' government programs/contracts can get in serious trouble if they break their DNA. The "Whistleblower" protection does not protect anybody from speaking publicly. It allows those claiming to have information about UAP programs to privately speak to Congress, who will then decide if any of the information is both harmless enough and able to be useful in manipulating the public to the benefit of Congress. They will take this information filtered down and catered to their needs as politicians, and spoon-feed it to the public.


[deleted]

I think you misinterpreted basically all of my point. They asked what we thought about the meetings taking place in a SCIF. I’m just saying that their intent to release it or not is not dictated by it being in a SCIF. Whether or not they choose to declassify and disclose determines if they plan on sharing. It’s perfectly reasonable that UAP/UFO sighting/testimony/crash retrieval is classified and potentially not all disclosed to the public, because for all these people know it’s another country’s or even the U.S.‘s own craft they discovered. The government rightly wouldn’t want that out in the public.


InsouciantSoul

Maybe I have. I do not understand what tells you that they "just want to keep it secret for now" They don't have a choice but to keep it secret. Maybe that goes without saying, fair enough. But why "for now"?


[deleted]

I mean, that’s how the U.S. de-classification system works. Most things aren’t just classified and then sit on a shelf. They eventually will be de-classified due to age, unless they are re-classified again. It’s why some instances of disclosure have happened before. If it’s classified now, it’s not a guarantee it’s going to stay classified, but of course it will be classified from the jump. Unless there is some massive sighting of a UFO that is all over the internet and has thousands of witnesses and/or was caught on live television during a sporting event or something, any info we get fro the government in UAP/UFOs will be info that began as a classified info.


InsouciantSoul

So why is everyone seemingly so hyped up over basically nothing?


Windman772

Any genuine UAP discussion would take place in a SCIF. We'd all love it for it to occur on live television, but we will remain in the dark until AARO learns something and then until congress learns something.


InsouciantSoul

What exactly makes you believe we won't remain in the dark, and what does information known by AARO or Congress have to do with it? I know this stuff has people optimistic but reading the comments around here have got my thinking I am nuts. When did everybody start having so much faith that the US government is happily going to be sharing factual information purely for the benefit of the public? What events did I miss that would make one believe they won't just continue to do whatever makes them more wealthy?


Windman772

I agree. I think there is a very good chance that congress will hide it from us. But I have hope that they will remember who they work for.


InsouciantSoul

Well, I can't knock ya for having hope!! I just really can't see why anyone in the US government would have any motivation to share anything at all with the public, and I've never seen any other examples where they just chose out of the kindness of their hearts to share information in which they weren't required to share by law.


[deleted]

Just goes to show that secrecy is still running the show. Our leaders still think we need to be spoon fed the truth. I can understand that where Earthly technology is concerned but the existence of intelligent life beyond this world transcends the need for "national security". We have a right to know if we're not alone!


SabineRitter

I take this as confirmation that crash/retrieval programs exist to be testified about. And, in a historical context, that is a significant step.


Best-Comparison-7598

Until someone testifies publicly this is just hearsay.


OffshoreAttorney

Pffffffff. Glad you take some random guys tweet as confirmation that aliens exist. Lmfao.


RobAlso

I’m going down reading this entire thread and you’re the first, and only, person so far to mention aliens. No one said anything about aliens. Go away.


OffshoreAttorney

Still hereeeeeeee


Skeptechnology

You take a Twitter post as confirmation of aliens?


Any_Falcon38

I mean, the majority of any breaking news story nowadays would be tweeted about. Doesn’t mean you have to believe it but this is the world we live in now and that is the platform for breaking news.


Skeptechnology

Twitter is where you get your news? Do I have news for you... anyone can make a Twitter account and post all manner of nonsense and lies.


Any_Falcon38

Don’t most news agencies have their own Twitter accounts? Am I missing something ?


Skeptechnology

Yes you are. Is StandForBetter a trusted news agency?


InsouciantSoul

...... Can you imagine a whole group full of people who are begging for truth and transparency, but at the same time wholeheartedly, unironically believe that they as a person will find truth in random tweets? Just a guess here, but I am guessing that aside from "random tweets", these truth seekers also inform their beliefs from other well known clear arbiters of truth, such as: "Headlines" (or titles of editorials, same thing) Fact claiming articles from their favorite organization in which the authors only given source to allow readers to verify the apparent facts is "Trust me bro. I am the News. I even tweeted this."


InsouciantSoul

Holy fuck man. Don't worry you aren't alone. It's honestly shocking to see so many comments acting so prideful in displaying their cognitive dissonance... Not a chance in hell that any individual who is happy to use the above picture of a tweet as something to inform their beliefs would ever in good faith respect anyone else silly enough to use a different antithetical picture of a tweet to inform their belief of UAP not being aliens and aliens not existing. Literally no shame in taking the time to explain how despite any and all logic or critical thinking, that in more or less words 'in this particular case which is about something I want to believe, it makes sense to take a random .jpg or tweet as an obviously trustworthy and absolute fact simply on the merit of its pixels!"


[deleted]

Do you take a Fox News report as something that really happened? Just saying.


Skeptechnology

Why are you "just saying"?


[deleted]

Why do you ask?


Skeptechnology

I want to understand the point you are trying to make.


[deleted]

My point is, I wouldn't trust either of those sources exclusively, I regularly check other sources too since they all have their own agendas.


SabineRitter

Is that what I said?


Skeptechnology

Never said you did, hence the question mark. Though one must ask... Why take a Twitter post as confirmation for anything?


Jumpy_Secretary1363

That's what a lot of people on here are implying.


igetalogiawheni

Deniers: 🦗🎶


Jumpy_Secretary1363

A random Twitter account saying he has a source is no more reliable than Alex jones claiming he has a source. Don't get caught up in the want for there to be aliens.


igetalogiawheni

It’s standfortruth.org so it’s kinda more like a Democratic version of Alex Jones


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Claudius-Germanicus

Well. You don’t buy a pooper scooper unless your dog shits. If they set up a program, I can’t imagine the spent their entire tenure on their asses.


kjbqkc

This is the US Government. The wasting money experts. The CIA literally made up a program that we were studying nonsense like remote viewing and telekineses to fool the KGB into wasting money to study it. When it worked the US government started studying it too because we didn’t want to get left behind.


bejammin075

The remote viewing program wasn’t nonsense. By the standards applied to any other science, they made their case. These areas are a prime example of where skeptics reject science and the scientific method. When these data were analyzed by Dr Jessica Utts and Dr Ray Hyman (the skeptic), Hyman basically had to concede that the methods were good and the results statistically significant. The rest of his words are just copium. Same with the ganzfeld telepathy studies, Hyman helped design the perfect studies, the auto-ganszeld, and contrary to skeptic expectations, the results continued to be significant. Same with the precognition studies (Bem 2011), precognition odds by chance of 1 in 74 billion, then the 2016 replication paper showed odds by chance of 1 in a trillion.


idahononono

Well put, the truth is we know something is occurring, it’s just unpredictable, and nearly impossible to quantify. Too bad mainstream science is terrified to study it due to the stigma attached. Sounds like a familiar theme……….


OffshoreAttorney

Let’s be honest. Nothing is occurring here and this is to deflect attention from more important matters.


OffshoreAttorney

Absolutely false and made up.


bejammin075

Way to articulate!


[deleted]

Wow, you really convinced everyone there with your well presented counter argument. Clown.


kjbqkc

And yet the American institutes for research summarized it was garbage? “ the information provided by remote viewing is vague and ambiguous”


bejammin075

Most average subjects aren’t going to get spectacular results. However, using the protocols, the subjects were able to obtain non-local information such that when the judges have to match the remote viewers output to 4 pictures, they get matches to the target at statistically significant levels, reproducibly in independent laboratories around the world. For the very good remote viewers such as Pat Price (his results published in a peer-reviewed study in Nature (the top science journal in the world) 1974 by Russel Targ and Hal Puthoff, and Joseph McMoneagle (he received a high military award for the accuracy of his remote viewing work which helped a few hundred missions), they get very accurate results reliably.


natecull

> For the very good remote viewers such as Pat Price (his results published in a peer-reviewed study in Nature (the top science journal in the world) 1974 by Russel Targ and Hal Puthoff, and Joseph McMoneagle (he received a high military award for the accuracy of his remote viewing work which helped a few hundred missions), they get very accurate results reliably. And note how many of those excellent STAR GATE remote viewers were also high-level Scientologists. (My feeling is that like Theosophy, Golden Dawn, and many other spiritual orgs before it, Scientology is a super-sketchy and abusive organization that nevertheless attracts some honest people who do have psychic powers, or an interest in developing them. Its methods of "development" tend to damage rather than helping people and the leadership will just discard anyone who doesn't bring them personal power, but there is a hard core of reality to the phenomenon that keeps honest people involved in a dishonest organization. It's a very familiar pattern in many cults.)


bejammin075

Scientology had it's heyday, and was somewhat of a fad. I think most of those people who were scientologists back then have moved on.


natecull

> The remote viewing program wasn’t nonsense. Yep, the problem with remote viewing isn't that it doesn't *work*, it's that it doesn't work *reliably*. I believe psi exists. The cases where it's been demonstrated are far too convincing for me to throw away, and the glimpse of the universe it offers us is a lot more coherent than the physicalist-materialist paradigm. But. Here's the thing. Psi plugs you into a dimension of shared human thoughts *and human thoughts are full of garbage*. Everyone's dreams and subconscious desires, all mixed up together. Good luck finding honest information in there. It's like the Internet, only much, much more so. You're gonna datamine 4chan and try to use that to get precise tactical information or predict the future? That's what remote viewing is. That's why I don't like people who think they can remote view anything on demand - particularly things we have no idea what they are, like UFOs! - and get sensible results. You'll get *something*, sure. You might end up starting a cult like Scientology or Heaven's Gate, or any of the 1950s-1980s contactee cults that had a trajectory somewhere in between. And some of the people in, eg, Lue Elizondo's circle feel like they're heading down a similar cultlike path, if Jeremy McGowan's description of Lue's use of remote viewing as a tool of psychological coercion is correct. Jeremy might have his own chips on his shoulder (some fairly massive ones), but I grew up in a cultlike church environment and I recognise multiple warning signs. Charismatic leaders who think they have mental superpowers, think they're on a mission to change the world, have a very loose relationship to the truth, think of people as tools for building their own empires... yep. It's very familiar.


bejammin075

It doesn't work reliably for average people with little training. It does work very reliably for people with well above average psi ability who train for a long time with verifiable feedback. Then you can trust their results on targets with no feedback, especially when you give several talented remote viewers the same blind target, then pool the results. Pat Price could read the text off of secret files. The CIA freaked out that he was reading top secret code names from locked file drawers. Joseph McMoneagle and Pat Price could draw schematics of top secret Russian sites. There is no shielding that can prevent such espionage. Also, this information is not just unlimited by distance, it is not limited by time. McMoneagle could accurately scan into the future, for example, he knew which month the new Russian Typhoon class submarine was going to launch. I think it would be unthinkable for an intelligence agency to ignore such things, especially with knowledge that adversaries like Russians are into it too. It also is super cheap and requires no special equipment. I'd have to bet money that the CIA is still doing remote viewing, but probably with even better methods and having screened more people to find even better natural psychics.


kinger90210

I think you need to re-read the papers or at least read one…


kjbqkc

https://irp.fas.org/program/collect/air1995.pdf It’s called a literature review homie.


kinger90210

So you still didnt read them. Would explain all the downvotes for you


kjbqkc

Nope, I’m a lazy 💩. Who refuses to believe in leprechauns and unicorns. I tried ever day for 6 months to will my organic chemistry professor to spontaneously combust in class. Believe me if it was possible it would have happened, not for lack of trying.


kinger90210

First sentence checks out


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ourmartyr1

Listen son. They are making the mother of all here ,Jack. Can't fret over a few eggs.


BakuDreamer

SCIF is pronounced ' skiff '


PoopDig

Good job buddy


WalkTemporary

If this is true this will also confirm that the logo we have seen on the PDF from Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick is, in fact, real, although the Latin is still either purposefully wrong or terribly conjugated.


PoopDig

ITS HAPPENING!!


Skeptechnology

This is just a Twitter post, shouldn't believe it so easily.


PoopDig

What do you think this would be the 1st time I've faced disappointment? I was born a disappointment pal. I can handle it


AeroMittens

Keep believing their bullshit


PoopDig

👽


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PoopDig

Sounds like Dr. Steve Brule talking


TypewriterTourist

A "source directly involved with the UAP / UFO disclosure effort in Washington" may mean oh so many things.


Trying2improvemyself

Anything can be said about what's going to be said behind closed doors.


birthedbythebigbang

They will finally reveal the lyrics to "Yellow Ledbetter."


Busy-Lettuce-4667

That has to be the all-time greatest comment on this sub!! 🏆You will accept my praise for that amazing comment and you will LIKE IT, sir! 😂


Best-Comparison-7598

Exactly! What good is this reporting about something behind closed doors. Pressure for public hearings


DavidM47

Is this a credible report? Never heard of this organization.


birthedbythebigbang

AARO is the Congressionally-mandated All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office. A SCIF is a secure room where classified information can be discussed openly, a Sensitive Compartmented Information Facility. They have numerous countersurveillance measures.


DavidM47

I meant StandForBetter.org


stranj_tymes

They're a liberal PAC technically, but essentially operate by Tweeting, making video content, sharing political news, and producing satire poking fun at the MAGA mob. Only more recently seen more UAP-related content from their Twitter, seems someone there caught the bug and has been doing some digging. Running a PAC of any kind \*could\* put them in networks with people who have some knowledge of this.


DavidM47

Good call. Probably have a staff connection. The only thing I miss about my DC-insider ex-wife is that she could put it together in about 10 seconds from online databases.


stranj_tymes

I'm not doing anything remotely related to it anymore (mostly), but my education and early experience was in research, mostly for government clients, and political work, and it's definitely a skill set I'm glad I have for that kind of stuff haha!


DavidM47

I would check who donates to them, who those people donate to, who they are and who they donate to. There is some government search engine that all of this must be reported to. A little browsing would probably turn up a common candidate in a well-placed committee. I would do it but I am driving.


stranj_tymes

[Primary guy that runs the page/PAC](https://mattfordld.com/about/) FEC database shows maybe a couple thousand bucks in total donated *to* them in all, and all but 1 contribution came from the guy that runs it - so mostly self-funded website to run for fun, and contributions on their website just redirect to ActBlue. The one name that's not Matt Ford as either contributor or recipient is Jonathan Meyer, which \*could\* refer to Department of Homeland Security counsel Jonathan Meyer, \*or\* it could still be self-funding by another partner at SFB since there \*is\* also a marketer in San Francisco somewhere with the exact same name that donated to ActBlue back in 2016. But that's about all the energy I can put into this one lol


birthedbythebigbang

That I can't tell ya.


OffshoreAttorney

You’re kidding me, right. The dude was asking if the completely random Twitter poster was a figure of any notable authority on the subject.


PoopDig

I'm not sure who it is but I've seen their tweets over the past few years and I recall them as being accurate. But I can't necessarily back that up


DavidM47

After reading UAPx’s comments on the 2022 UAP report, I don’t know who to trust!!


PoopDig

I haven't read that yet.


DontPranic

This is very exciting news if true, feels like we just changed gears again.


Verskose

It sounds interesting but will that testimony be readily available to us?


quantumcryogenics

According to an anonymous Twitter account with no record of having sources. Not holding my breath.


Glass-Living-118

I’m not saying it’s hearsay but I can confirm from a Reddit post of a tweet of a source’s source that someone is talking about this in a SCIF


OffshoreAttorney

LOL exactly. All I know from this Twitter post is that SCIF rhymes with sniff.


mateussgarcia

We are at THE BRINK of somenthing HUGE for the next months. For the past years


OffshoreAttorney

No, we aren’t.


natecull

I'm sorry, this is Sensitive Compartmentalized Arguments. If you want a Sensitive Compartmentalized Contradiction, that's room 11A, down the hall, just next to the freezers with the alien bodies that are simultaneously alive and dead.


OffshoreAttorney

Thanks. Apologies I was lost but thanks for helping me find my way to Truth.


Individual_You_8023

What does it matter if it’s credible or not? I can have a meeting slated which has the alleged agenda of disclosing why Toronto Maple Leaf fans are historically like teenage girls with excitement if the team signs a Veteran whose bound for the Hall of fame but not before they Milk Toronto for a last chance power drive in which they’ll get 300% more than any other team would offer and underperform and play 50% of the games expected AT BEST!!! Oh.. wait that’s changed and now there’s actually a good team and Managmemt - instead they’ll just struggle to get out of the 1st round of the playoffs every year until all the contracts for MNM&JT actually expire lmao Needless to say it’s a cup for sure! Believe none of what you hear and half of what you see Until this shit is actually laid out for us LEGITIMATELY and not some shitty Stars Wars Prequel teaser trailer BS I believe. Nothing other than attention seeking asshats I believe it’s all real but I do not believe the red tape BS NOT ONE BIT


shogun2909

As a Montréal canadiens fans, Fuck the leafs !!! It was 3-1


OffshoreAttorney

Exactly


tinosaladbar

That's very exciting if true. We've become exceedingly efficient with technology in the last, oh I don't know, 76 years. Roswell maybe? 🤔


deion_snaders

Never trust a man in a goattee


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OffshoreAttorney

So what. Nothing will come of it.


machoov

We will soon find out that the “angels of the Bible” had a lot more to do with out existence than we imagined. And it all stems from non-duality and realizing god-consciousness being right here.


Skeptechnology

And exactly why should we take this Twitter posters word for it?


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Funwithscissors2

You’re being downvoted but, as much as we all “want to believe”, we had all be careful that our eagerness to accept “good” news about disclosure doesn’t cloud our judgment. The easiest way to push a false narrative is to tell people more of what they want to hear.


Ok-Cardiologist6187

Nobody cares sadly.


Isabe113

Next up; Alien Invasion and Davos will throw out proxies to areas they desire to control..


AdagioAffectionate66

Hide is all they do! Hide the truth! Go Hide in your bunker!


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208sparky

Scif?


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The fact that it is a SCIF says a lot. Maybe now we finally can get some movement soon. Will be exciting to see what the first leak will be about.


ConfidentEvent5471

Post proof here


ToTaLShaFF

Why am I aroused???


natecull

That's nice but, just as with the Advanced Theoretical Physics conference at a SCIF in the 1980s, a bunch of people with security clearances in a classified context talking about rumours they've heard in other classified contexts about alleged crash recoveries from some other classified context again.... still doesn't logically imply that those original rumours are or have ever been actually *true*. While I'm convinced that UAPs/UFOs, as observed phenomena, exist... I am extremely skeptical that these things have ever "crashed", or are even *capable* of "crashing", and if they can't crash, then there can't be recovered materials from crashes. That and that almost all of the stories told about "crashes" just don't make sense and seem to be lies or science fiction. I suppose it's possible that there may exist some caches of "alleged recovered materials", those materials themselves being real, and *possibly* having interesting physical properties, but their actual source being dubious. But did military types really fire missiles or nukes or radar or EMPs at the sky and down comes a saucer, in bits, with chunks falling off? And looking exactly like ? I don't believe that has happened and I think military people pushing that story - if they're not just repeating what they've heard elsewhere - are probably straight-up lying. Either as a cover for something else, or to mess with the UFO community for their own ends.


duuudewhat

Here’s a link to the actual tweet. Only a few hundred likes so not super visible. Doubt anything will happen with this https://twitter.com/standforbetter/status/1614007071988645889?s=46&t=NS00cZ7dhxT_JWJIoELSkg