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The whimsical and wonderful RWBY fandom: RoseGarden Edition.

The whimsical and wonderful RWBY fandom: RoseGarden Edition.

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genshinfantasy7

On a more serious note, this is what I hate about the RWBY fandom. Shipping is deemed as *so* damn important that people are willing to send each other death threats over it. I’m not even into RoseGarden very much (it’s cute, but it’s not a main ship of mine), but this? Death threats over fiction? This is going too far. Ruby and Oscar aren’t real. The people you threaten with death and the people you bully for shipping it, though? They’re definitely real. I don’t understand how people can say these things without a second thought. And this is why I’m upset with CRWBY. Their pushing of shipping has created this toxic fanbase who’s willing to hurt others like this over fictional romances that may or may not happen. Have you ever been harassed or sent death threats in the RWBY fandom? Let’s discuss.


LajosGK22

Maybe it was all part of a plan: create a fandom that is too busy grabbing each other by the throat over ships and are so gullible they won't even notice the show's shortcomings because they're constantly dreaming about shipping new characters with each other. Crackpot theory I know, but at this point I believe anything.


Spoderman77

Anything to help distract people from the shows' flaws. The writers probably didn't plan any of this, but they wouldn't want to stop it either.


TheRecklesss

Once again this is something I found in other fandoms as well? The fandom has now become equal to shipping fandom, where in the past, hell, I'm talking maybe pre-covid, that wasn't the case. I look for discussions online about certain shows and it's just about the shipping. The new Loki TV series is a huge example of that. There is so many flaws going on throughout that entire thing that doesn't make any sense (he forgets his powers 90% of the time they would be useful, forgets he's a frost giant and feels cold, the showrunners Did Not research what genderfluidity is, speech is weird, is shown more to be immature and clownish rather than clever at all, etc.) and yet all anyone can shout about is whether or not the main pair would be selfcest or not. (Yall can most certainly have that argument if you want but why must it take up 95% of all discussions though???) So I noticed the same has been happening with RWBY, but I'm not sure *when* I only got into rwby fandom like... maybe volume six? before I'd only watched the show and never interacted


qwack2020

Shippings and romance is what’s ruining RWBY in general. It’s bad enough that the characterization interactions are poorly written.


MelonBot_HD

The facts that relationship plots are notoriously hard to write and that miles isn't such a great writer doesn't help it at all.


Ricky190

Alot of things ruined RWBY lol, shipping is actually not even in the top 7 worst things about the series, despite how bad it is lol.


qwack2020

I mean yeah tons of things are screwing up the whole series sure. But the romance in this series is like gasoline. Being poured into a dumpster fire.


LajosGK22

Actually, the only thing that is screwing up RWBY: is poor writing. Every single gripe and issue you have with the show, can be all followed back to this one giant of a problem. \*edit\* I could also add rushing and crunch to it, but I'm not completely sure how bad is it if there's any.


TheRecklesss

To be fair, that's not exclusive to the rwby fandom. That's been a problem shipping for a long time, and as someone who has been on Tumblr since 2012, I've been really fucking confused why nowadays you guys want to have some kind of moral superiority aligned with your ships. Like.... No??? That was never what shipping was about.


S3_Studios

This kinda stuff isn't even just a Rwby thing. I think Nardo shippers sent Kishimoto death threats when that ended, plus booru sites ended up getting rid downvotes because of salty narusaku shippers and Hinata haters. You also had Bleach fans burning their books because their ship didn't win. Then there're the MHA shippers. Oh god the MHA shippers. And these are just three instances from the stuff I actually pay attention to. Granted, yeah RoosterTeeth actively pushes this nonsense, but still


eats_cheeseburgers

Shipping is a plague of modern communities. That’s why subs for BNHA and Jujutsu Kaisen banned shipping content.


S3_Studios

Probably the smartest move you could make.


TheRecklesss

Ah... That's why it's so strong in rwby. Yeah the cast and show runners themselves do tend to push it. I was wondering about that back in the Qrow and Clover times when different people of the show and the Twitter page were pushing/promoting the pairing. and then right after his death they had these pins that were merch paired together of Qrow's insignia and Clover's insignia together. I got to say I do think that they do it on purpose. Like they did have Clover flirt with Qrow at the beginning (it was very very small... but enough), and then had people *literally come back to the show* because they wanted to see if this was going to he a thing, then kill him off right at the end. They pepper in some bumblebee stuff.....and then "kill" Yang off at the very end. I mean now that I think about it that's technically what happened to Pyrrha. I guess that's just an actual "thing" that they keep doing.


ExiaValvrave

The MHA shippers I feel most uncomfortable with because they mostly ship MINORS. I just can't understand that.


TheRecklesss

They're minors who aren't even drawn like minors at all And then you put them in the situations you would never put a minor in? Theyre literally fighting terrorism Draw the minors as minors, and put them in an actual normal classroom and setting, and maybe I'd get why the self-appointed morality police are all up in arms about it. But since shipping has been a thing for decades? It just seems really immature to be upset about ships you don't like existing. There were Luke/Leia shippers before some of us were even born.


ExiaValvrave

The only thing wrong with Luke/Leia is incest, but that's only made apparent at the end of Empire, which is not the fault of anyone shipping them given that Empire was FULL of surprises.. Second, Luke in New Hope was around 19-20 and I believe Leia was the same. Those are perfectly fine. >They're minors who aren't even drawn like minors at all And suddenly the appearance matters? Are you really letting all those "I thought she was legal" jokes fly over your head? Just because they look "old enough" does not make it right. That's the inverse of the 3000 year old loli argument. Neither is correct. The chronology and aesthetics of minors are off limits. PERIOD.


TheRecklesss

You're literally going to give incest a pass? Whatever kind of argument you're going to try to say after this doesn't even matter. You can't be policing people while saying " well I mean this is okay because a lot of people didn't know is going to be incest". And just because they find out later and still are okay with it, that's all right? Cuz I mean, sorry to break it to you if you didn't know already but that's still a ship. Check Ao3. But then you say that 14 year olds who are given the physical attributes and capabilities of someone 25 (no shit that matters), *Who Fight Terrorism* a career NO Minor Has In The Real World (once again, that matters), who are shipped with each other, is considered crossing a line? That sounds so dumb. That's why policing fictional fucking characters is the dumbest waste of time you could possibly ever make in your life. As someone who is a child survivor, this is one of the most blatantly fake woke liberal shit you could do that has no affect on the real world. What I've always thought was actually questionable was Rin x Sesshomaru, and that was made fucking *canon.* Not to mention you're a part of this community, so you must have known that people have been shipping Rwby characters with each other since season one right? You know, *before any of them were 18?*


ExiaValvrave

>You're literally going to give incest a pass? Are you DAFT? I literally explained that Luke and Leia were NEVER considered siblings in the original Star Wars movie. It's not UNTIL Empire that they accidentally commit that behavior, and UNTIL Return of the Jedi that that knowledge is made clear. You are literally incapable of understanding how time works to suit your own depraved ideas. >And just because they find out later and still are okay with it, that's all right? That's a straw man. I never said incest was ok. Just that in this particular instance, people didn't know and had no POSSIBLE WAY of knowing until Return of the Jedi. Which obviously made A LOT of those people uncomfortable, which is a natural reaction. >Who Fight Terrorism So? Fighting terrorism is not a morally reprehensible behavior, especially when they are often not on the front lines due to security reasons. These are not child soldiers in the Middle East, they are in training for most of the series and by the end are likely old enough to be adults. >That's why policing fictional fucking characters is the dumbest waste of time you could possibly ever make in your life. I'm not policing fictional characters. I am calling out pedophiles who excuse their behavior by saying their depraved fantasies are ok due to their fictional nature. >As someone who is a child survivor, this is one of the most blatantly fake woke liberal shit you could do that has no affect on the real world. Are you JOKING?! The woke mob ACCEPTS pedophilia as a part of their "LGBTQ" agenda in the form of "MAPs." If anything, I am more conservative (and I'm not even that conservative, though I'd still vote for Trump if he ran again). >Not to mention you're a part of this community, so you must have known that people have been shipping Rwby characters with each other since season one right? You know, before any of them were 18? And? What do you know about me? Nothing. I never condoned that behavior nor will I ever. This is a moot point.


TheRecklesss

The RWBY Community in its entirety *runs* on shipping... Yet you think interacting with it as you have been for YEARS doesn't make you complicit or even slightly hypocritical? I mean have you been voicing your disdain for shipping these characters in the past? And why not in the present to because we've literally watch them grow older right? (changing-topic but you didnt seem to get it: People still ship Luke and Leia you know that right? Yet you give them a pass because they were of an older age and because it's revealed later that's incestuous, *but people literally did not stop* THAT was my literal point. Just checked on ao3; the last fanfiction posted of them was *Yesterday.* ) Speaking of missing my points, you proceed forward with not understanding any point I had made in your counter? People are not going to see "minors"in fictional characters, in a fictional world, that's own artist sexualizes them in their adult designs and outfits (common problem in all anime I know), and then hands them adult jobs like fighting terrorism and serial murderers. The point making was: suspension of belief of their age is *Gone* The author just wanted to put them in a high school setting and uniforms with skirts, and that's basically it. There is no empirical evidence to back up what you're saying. Yes, I thought you were a liberal because both liberals and Trump supporters have some issues understanding using empirical data to back up moral philosophy or values. You bring up a good point though, that the law can always be further improved... but once again... you would need to bring evidence not just your *feelings.* And evidence that shipping fictional characters should be the same as harming *real-life children* Is Not Out There It's not a strawman to bring up every single scenario you can find in fiction that would be illegal in real life and compare it to what you're doing now: calling for people to see that this is a reflection of their moral character, *when it isn't* And then there's a messy ordeal of dealing with things that are canon/noncanon, and fans who grow older while the characters remain the same age. Likes, if you ship Inuyasha and Kagome since the early 2000s, and you still do now, is that sus? Kagome is a minor the entire series, and yeah the serialization took decades, but should fans still be punished? Same show okay, so Sesshomaru and Rin, they became a canon couple, you find out later they have children. But Sesshomaru meets Rin as a child... She gives birth around 14 years old. So should shippers *and* the author *and* the animators *and* the director get arrested? And then of course teens engage in this sort of thing, too. So when they engage in shipping characters, what happens to them? Are they all let off the hook, or are kids 16 and older to be tried in court? And then of course there's the written works like fan fiction, which one we're talking about shipping that's mostly what people are talking about is the fan works... Which aren't even all nsfw.... so there's the awkward ordeal of trying to arrest someone based on how they perceive the characters theh are reading... I mean if you're interested in creating new law that I'm willing to hear you out.


ExiaValvrave

>The RWBY Community in its entirety runs on shipping... Yet you think interacting with it as you have been for YEARS doesn't make you complicit or even slightly hypocritical? How in the world would watching a show and occasionally posting in a subreddit critical of the show make me complicit in the greater community's sins? You are making a massive leap in logic just to win an argument and it shows. You're not even contesting my points about underage shipping, you're trying to infer things about my character that are not true. You got nothing in this game. >changing-topic but you didnt seem to get it: People still ship Luke and Leia you know that right? No, YOU do not get it. 1. I only excuse such behavior when the movie first came out because people had no knowledge of Luke and Leia's relationship. 2. My original contention was underage shipping, not incest. So long as they are adults, that automatically makes it less detestable than underage shipping. 3. I do excuse that ship in the present day. >People are not going to see "minors"in fictional characters, in a fictional world, that's own artist sexualizes them in their adult designs and outfits Where is your evidence for this statement? It does not matter what you "see" in a character if you know they are a minor. It is a universal sin. Period. >The author just wanted to put them in a high school setting and uniforms with skirts, and that's basically it. And that's ok to you? Playing dress up with minors to fulfill your own fantasies? That is messed up. >There is no empirical evidence to back up what you're saying. You're a survivor of child abuse, yes? Then you are my empirical evidence of why it is wrong. >Yes, I thought you were a liberal because both liberals and Trump supporters have some issues understanding using empirical data to back up moral philosophy or values. HAHAHAHA! Oh, boy. Thanks for the troll. Jesus loves you too.


TheRecklesss

"you're trying to infer thing about my character that aren't true" And theeeere it is. So you agree? That the entertainment that you indulge in and contribute to in online discussions, entertainment which supports shipping by fandom and by the crew themselves, doesn't define your character? Then that should apply all over. You're just not ever going to be able to please people based off of solely your own opinions. Especially when you're shifting said opinions. So now you're saying you would excuse certain incest pairings? Well earlier I said you'd give incest a free pass and you disagreed with that... And what you said about it being less detestable than pedophilia? I know soooo many people would argue with you about that to the point that they would call you an incest-lover lol ------- "And that's ok to you? Playing dress up with minors to fulfill your own fantasies? That is messed up." You are talking about the AUTHOR, right? So you think that any adult author who puts minors in high school uniforms and skirts.... is messed up? But...... that would be rwby... like first several volumes. Why were you watching it? You don't think that making yang "top heavy", having characters remark on that, or even having an adult flirt with her in the very first trailer was reason enough for you to stop watching? So when would you stop watching? If Oscar and Ruby arent just blushing around each other but kiss? ------- "Where is your evidence for this statement" It was actually in the mentioning of the suspension of disbelief. You get the concept of what that is, right? It becomes "if it looks, walks, and talks like a duck" kind of scenario where if all you see (and hear, because the VAs are not minors either) points to this not being possible in real-life, then you're not going to see them as real-life minors. Best evidence of this is to look at how for teen movies we often cast people who are NOT teenagers... But their fictional roles are. So in such a situation, if you ship these characters in your fanfiction... do you think they should be arrested for child porn? Because you're saying that just by the character having an age, it doesn't matter that they look, sound, or act in their character's jobs or in the narration as adults in an adult setting they may have been placed in... I mean, you can stick to that if you want? But literally no one's going to agree with you except for those maybe in your echo chamber. It just doesn't make sense. And that’s why the state laws on fictional minors in other countries that would bring a case like that to court is that they have to actually look like minors. So that also adds to my point that if...they aren’t depicted as minors...then they won’t be seen as minors... not even in court. ------ I'm a survivor of child abuse, yes. And when they arrested him, they searched his home. Shipping Sailor Moon characters wasnt what they found, love. Nor was it fanfiction describing a coffeeshop AU between Inuyasha and Kagome. It was real CP; with real life children. And that's what people get charged for. Not for shipping. Because that doesn't make sense. So no, I cant be your evidence; because that doesn't... make sense. I really did try to find cases where the government gave a damn about fictional minors being shipped... well for one it has to be pornographic because you want them to be charged with pedophilia right? I think if it's written though like in fanfiction, that's automatically protected by the constitution You'd be fighting an extremely uphill battle with that one. Yet ironically, the only thing I was able to find was someone having been convicted for holding Comics that had incest in them. So while you may give it a pass, apparently some state governments don't.


NepNepNEPPER

Cause its fictional minors, so it should be fine to ship.


ExiaValvrave

So murdering people in cold blood in a fictional world is morally ok? Your argument is VERY loose here. You argue on the basis that fiction absolves moral duty. It does not.


NepNepNEPPER

If no one in real life is getting hurt over it then I don't see what the problem is.


ExiaValvrave

Ah, so child porn is ok to you if it's fictional? Are you REALLY making that distinction?


TheRecklesss

You're the only one who's not capable of making a distinction. I mean literally find some shipping art of Boku no hero Academia characters, and report it to the FBI as child porn. NOTHING WILL HAPPEN. Because it's fictional. It is not considered child pornography. It can most certainly make you feel uncomfortable. I've had plenty of ships that make me feel uncomfortable. But someone having a ship you don't like......does not equal a moral failing. There have been research studies about this already.


ExiaValvrave

>I mean literally find some shipping art of Boku no hero Academia characters, and report it to the FBI as child porn. > >NOTHING WILL HAPPEN. Because simulated child pornography is apparently "protected speech" by the law. However, that does not mean the law is perfect. It's extremely disturbing to realize that the law protects pedophiles based purely on the fact that something is drawn. >Because it's fictional. It is not considered child pornography. No, it's still child pornography. It's just DRAWN or IMAGINED. The application of either does not negate the fact that it is specifically pornographic material depicting minors. Does saying racist statements about a fictional race make those statements ok? No, because you're ostensibly racist. It's just that the target of that disturbed behavior is unable to legally sue you (not that mere speech can be sued). >But someone having a ship you don't like......does not equal a moral failing. I never said whether I "liked" the ship or not. It is a moral failing. Period. That's it. There's nothing to like or dislike about fetishizing children. It is simply wrong. >There have been research studies about this already. "There has been research." Lmao?! Where? Cite them.


NepNepNEPPER

Yeah, cause they're not real.


HeavenPiercingTongue

It’s fine where they ship teenagers with teenagers. Some of those people ship folks like Midoriya with All Might. It’s kinda funny how extreme the ships can get.


Ricky190

Shipping minors with other minors isn't pedophilia. Its okay


TheRecklesss

Even if you ship the teen with an adult, that falls right under the trope of falling in love with your teacher, or slapping a character with a daddy kink. I remember when people kept trying to argue that people who liked this fantastic beasts pairing , graves and credence, were shipping pedophilia Credence was over 20 years old. People will throw out words and find problematic shit with literally every pairing in existence That’s why you shouldn’t care. Period. In the end it’s not actually based in anything the psychiatric community can back with evidence. In fact, they tend to say the opposite. Your official pairings generally has absolutely nothing to do with your real life morals or actions. People just keep pretending it does because once again we want to feel morally superior to people because we want to feel superior to people and this is the easiest way to do it- Over the Internet over fictional things


Ricky190

Facts


ExiaValvrave

Except there is a difference between wondering who is with who in real life and actively fantasizing about characters getting together. If you think it's ok to ship two minors in a fictional world, do you think it's ok to ship minors in THE REAL world? If not, then screw off. Your morals do not change merely because you are playing pretend. Unless, that is, those are your REAL morals that you're escaping to.


TheRecklesss

Actually, because it's a fictional world, people like to create different elements. That's literally....the appeal....of fiction. I'm not sure how young you are but you could literally just go to a literature professor and ask about this? Don't be dumb. Just go to a paid professional. I love reading psychological horrors and murder mysteries. With writing these kind of novels, the author has to do a lot of research so the author most definitely did a lot of research into different ways to murder people. Maybe even interviewed a few people in law enforcement, a few forensic psychologists, in order to get a feel about writing their serial killer. For the last time, this doesn't mean that I nor the author want to commit murder. This is the same thing with wanting fictional characters to just be happy and in love with each other? It doesn't mean that we are all pedophiles or something. And Game of Thrones there were a lot of incest ships, some before and some after knowledge had been dropped, but it doesn't mean that everyone who like the ship wants to go fuck their own cousin or sibling. If you can't understand that then I don't think you have any right being here. You don't seem to understand what fiction is. And RWBY is fiction. I'm not sure if you're here because the main characters are usually Mary Sues, but a lot of people like Emerald now that she's switched sides and she's literally helped murder people.


ExiaValvrave

>Just go to a paid professional. About what? Wondering what constitutes pedophilia? The fact you even consider something like this to be ok is a sign of moral depravity. Children are off limits, always. >For the last time, this doesn't mean that I nor the author want to commit murder. And you STRAW MAN ME! You can't even make the right comparison. Reading a murder mystery and wondering how it unfolds is different from WANTING CHILDREN TO SCREW EACH OTHER. >This is the same thing with wanting fictional characters to just be happy and in love with each other? It doesn't mean that we are all pedophiles or something. Adults are fine, CHILDREN ARE NOT! How many times must I repeat myself? >And Game of Thrones there were a lot of incest ships, some before and some after knowledge had been dropped, but it doesn't mean that everyone who like the ship wants to go fuck their own cousin or sibling. I never said they did? It's morally gross and scientifically terrible. That's it. It's not an act that makes it overtly wrong, it's a thought process. Fetishizing sibling romance is accepting that thought process. Same as accepting pedophilia. If you even HAVE these thoughts, that is morally reprehensible and disgusting. End of story. >If you can't understand that then I don't think you have any right being here. If you can't understand that diddling kids is wrong, I don't think you have a right to make any sweeping statements.


ExiaValvrave

I never said it was pedophilia per se, but it may very well be. I'm saying it's improper because you are still ultimately enjoying a child's romantic/ (urgh) relationship. It just so happens to be with another child. It's like a voyeuristic form of pedophilia.


Ricky190

So when cultures around the world arrange marriages between children and other children is that pedophilia? If the viewer themselves aren't banging a child then whats the problem?


ExiaValvrave

>So when cultures around the world arrange marriages between children and other children is that pedophilia? Arranged marriages are not inherently romantic or fetishized. They are done for the sake of the children or the families involved. Anything from politics, money, to actually making sure the families involved can continue their lineage or simply wanting their children to not end up single. >If the viewer themselves aren't banging a child then whats the problem? Realize you are defending literal child porn here. Yeah they're not "banging a child" but they WANT TO. The act of fetishizing children or child-like behavior and relationships when you are an adult IS PEDOPHILIA, CREEP!


Ricky190

But they are still pairing children with children, it doesn't matter whether or not something is "fetishized" or romantic, they're still expected to fuck lmao.


Austin_N

I admire a man with strong convictions.


BitesTheDust_4

I don't like RoseGarden. But this is messed up.


Darthmark3

This reminds me of the one where they said that anyone who says RWBY is only good for Porn should kill themselves.


Appropriate_Record_4

What? Who says rwby is only good for porn?


Darthmark3

Oh just the 145,113 members of the r/RWBYNSFW and over 11k pictures on rule34 of RWBY and other hundred video's of RWBY porn.


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Darthmark3

See even this bot agrees with me.


TheRecklesss

Christ


Darthmark3

Yeah wait until you see for MHA


TheRecklesss

You know, I wouldn't be surprised by that. Once again you make your characters not look like minors with how the author himself sexualizes them and then put them in setting no minor would be in by constantly contesting adults, AND it's an anime. The only rule 34 ever surprised me in regards to *anime* was the one with your blood cells being characters and your platelets in particular being small adorable toddlers? But I don't know, for RWBY... the only NSFW content I've ever seen for them were for the adult characters. Apparently that's just means that I've been blessed all these years lol


Darthmark3

Ha ha your lucky even on their main subreddit they would sometimes place porn of the characters.


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Rule34-13,944 Sankaku Complex-9,887 explicit/ 2,927 questionable Gelbooru- around 2,646 explicit /1,427 questionable (estimate based on number of pages) Paheal-17,760 Pixiv-6,533 R-18 NHentai-18 including dublicates.


Darthmark3

Wow the internets weird


TheRecklesss

Wow.


leathercock

people who aren't impressed with the quality of the writing, to put it mildly


TheRecklesss

Kind of wish you hadn't asked. My innocence


BitesTheDust_4

Well... i mean RWBY does have a lot of attractive girls and guys ...


Darthmark3

Yeah that's why we have rule34. Look up practically any known character they will have porn of them. I mean look how quickly that samsung girl had porn made of her.


Appropriate_Record_4

And same thing with guys after all gender inequality for guys and girls


Darthmark3

True you just tend to see it more with girls.


Appropriate_Record_4

And attractive guys! Gender inequality girls are not the only ones being sexualizing you know why only girls tho guys can't be attractive?


BitesTheDust_4

Right i correct it now!.


SnowfoxX200

When have people become unable to distinguish reality from fiction?


genshinfantasy7

Welcome to the RWBY fandom, where if you ship RoseGarden, you're literally Hitler.


Blackandheavy

That’s the RWBY fandom in a nutshell, it does exist in other fandoms, but it’s extremely out of hand within the RWBY fandom.


SnowfoxX200

People in the geshin fandom throw hissyfits because two male characters that are "blood brothers" are shipped. I tell you this phenomenon is visable in quite alot of fandoms, my guess is mentally ill women with access to the internet


Tobi-Is-A-Good-Boy

Since the beginning of humanity.


TheRecklesss

I don't know. I really think it has to do with the sanitization of most social media? Weirdly enough while they're doing that for social media, they're not doing that for like regular easily accessible TV media? So you're not allowed to talk about your favorite ships on Twitter or tumblr without people saying you deserve to die, but Jon Snow can Literally fuck his aunt?


SnowfoxX200

>So you're not allowed to talk about your favorite ships on Twitter or tumblr without people saying you deserve to die, but Jon Snow can Literally fuck his aunt? Might be an outlier since GoT chrashed and burnt so hard that nobody gave a fuck about it anymorw at that point. Also most people didn't read the books, so they might be oblivious to that fact


TheRecklesss

I mean it crashed and burned because it's last season was so rushed and shitty. But you can't deny that it was the most popular TV show in the world for a time, and the very first episode of the first season had twins fucking each other. If anything, the outlier was just the last season. Edit: And then of course you're going to be discussing the show. And if you have any kind of headcanons or favorable ships, usually those were allowed no matter what they were. Biggest ships for Sansa for example was either her being with the Hound (a grown man) or her being with Jon Snow (a grown man who everyone thought was her half-brother).


invisiblecartoonist

Sadly, it's been a thing since the Internet was available to the public. Now that we have Twitter (a.k.a. the one way ticket to insanity), this problem got so bad that shippers are even trying to bully writers into having their ship canon. Ever heard of what happened in Voltron?


Pwnelius

I mean what do you expect when the writers gave into the pandering in volume 6


Appropriate_Record_4

Jesus Christ this is just as ridiculous and bad as people sending death threats to the director of that awful Netflix Death Note movie because supposedly he "ruin" death note it's only a fictional characters honestly I just don't care about shipping anymore I just want to enjoy this show


GrandEmperessVicky

You will struggle to do either.


The-Arting-Starvist

I can understand people having an issue with RoseGarden because of Ozpin being part of Oscar’s brain but good lord that’s an aggressive take.


Appropriate_Record_4

Yeah that's why I find this to be a weird ship like is this technically shipping a very old man and a teenage girl?


The-Arting-Starvist

Im pretty sure that’s why the majority of the fandom doesn’t like the pairing. That and it going against other ships. I guess it will kind of depend on how Oscar and Ozpin’s situation gets resolved in the end. Whether or not they merge or if Ozma’s soul retruns to the afterlife or whatever.


GrandEmperessVicky

Ruby is still 18 while Oscar is 15, that's still grim to me. Besides, does Ruby *need* to end up with someone at the end? Can't she just stay single?


UrKing7in

Who says she need to end up with anyone wtf


GrandEmperessVicky

A lot of people, strangely enough. In the modern age people can't fathom the idea that the story could end without romance for the main protagonist. Some even consider it to be a sad/bittersweet end, as if one *needs* to be married with kids to have a happily ever after regardless of motivation, characterisations or logic.


UrKing7in

I don’t mean fans I mean writers, or people with authority. Ruby seem like a girl that’s more in love with work then she is with other people (though the writers can easily change that). I think/ hope she has kids to keep her sliver eyed heritage but she may not take care of them much if at all. Plus nothing set in stone till the writer the words 🤷🏾‍♂️


BitesTheDust_4

>I think/ hope she has kids to keep her sliver eyed heritage but she may not take care of them much if at all. Now that certainly is an interesting idea.


UrKing7in

Lol ye, I mean rwby has a lot of concepts that are crazy good and even more that could be implied but just won’t use them 🤷🏾‍♂️


ExiaValvrave

Ain't that funny though? Most people I know don't care for marriage, yet people fantasize about characters getting married for them.


The-Arting-Starvist

I think it’s a two year age gap based on one of the panels I listened to but I still get people’s discomfort with that. I don’t really ship anyone in RWBY so I agree honestly. I remember reading a fan theory that Ruby might be aromantic and thought that would be an interesting direction.


GrandEmperessVicky

>I think it’s a two year age gap based on one of the panels I listened to but I still get people’s discomfort with that. Nope, Eddy retconed that gap. u/IamMenace has more detailed info about it. But an ace Ruby should be the way to go.


IamMenace

Technically Eddy just kinda threw his hands up in the air at the end and said he'd discuss it with the other writers, and there hasn't been any word since. *Canonically* Ruby is seventeen while the other girls are all approximately nineteen even if it doesn't fit the timeline they've been operating under (Ruby should be eighteen in their timeline). Oscar's age is *approximated* as being fifteen but he could possibly still be fourteen, which means if CRWBY fix the timeline it's possible Ruby to be eighteen while Oscar is fourteen. [Here's](https://old.reddit.com/r/RWBYcritics/comments/oe2goh/why_rooster_teeth_needs_an_editor/h45bhy4/) my deep dive for anyone curious or for future reference. Glad to be known as "The RWBY timeline guy". Basically whatever you say about RWBY's timeline is both wrong and right at the same time. God bless, and have a wonderful day.


GrandEmperessVicky

Thank you for your duty, sir! *Salutes you*


The-Arting-Starvist

Dang that’s a mess. I guess we’ll have to just wait to hear back about the timeline, if they ever address it again. As a side note I love that ‘canonically’ is becoming such a theoretical statement in regards to RWBY. Thx for the info btw


IamMenace

No problem, friend. Glad I could be of assistance. Yeah, "canonically" in RWBY is basically on the level of "hypothetically" and "theoretically" lol. The longer you dive into the timeline the funnier it gets, like with Yang having had two birthdays since the fall of Beacon but none in between Volumes 1-3. Yang should canonically be nineteen, and she is, but how the writers came to that number is a trip lol. I also left out the time skip in Volume 7 as I didn't realize it was long enough for a video game to take place during that time, so the timeline may be even more messed up than I realized. God bless :)


The-Arting-Starvist

Yeah, now that you mention the aging of characters seems to pause for some of them in some volumes and accelerate in others lol


HeavenPiercingTongue

I think it’s an unfair comparison. It’s like saying that a reincarnated must date old ladies even if he is biologically 18 just because his soul is older. I think that the physical body’s age should be the determining factor. It’s too bad that retcons made her 18 and him 14. Although if they were both adults that is a negligible age difference.


Vestarne

No, Ozpin, Ozma and Oscar are all separate characters and Rosegarden is specifically shipping Oscar and Ruby, not either of the Oz's and Ruby. Most RG shippers, myself included on this front so a little biased lol, ship under the assumption that Oscar will remain his own person after the merge rather than just become Ozma. As to the age gap between Ruby and Oscar, eh it's basically the same as between Ruby and anyone else so it's not that weird to me. Fair enough if it is to you, not everyone's gotta like the same ship lol


The-Arting-Starvist

Yeah, I get that some people find it weird but I don’t think a 2 year age gap in a teenage relationship is that unordinary but maybe it was just the high school I went to lol


MadMasks

Actually, a lot of “RoseGardeners” ship OSCAR, as if Ozpin left and Oscar remained his own person, and a few actually make the very clear distinction that Oz is not part of the relationship. I once read a very comical fan comic of Oscar wanting to spend time with Ruby as Oz kept cockblocking him, so yeah, it kinda be weird but they make very clear that Oz is not the one they ship Ruby with


ExiaValvrave

Worse, is it shipping a CENTURIES year-old man with a teenager? A 40-50 year-old man with a teenager? Or another teen with another teen, which ultimately fetishizes teen romance?


GrandEmperessVicky

>RoseGarden because of Ozpin being part of Oscar’s brain Plus, there's the fact that Eddy retconned how old Ruby is. She's currently 18 and Oscar is 14/15 years old. The ship is icky with or without Ozpin.


BladeofNurgle

Weren't Vol 1 Ruby and Weiss literally the same ages and age difference as Oscar and Ruby? So why didn't people who shipped White Rose back then get sent death threats or had people complain that White Rose was pedophilia???? You know why


GrandEmperessVicky

Nope. Since Eddy retconed the length of the Beacon Arc, Ruby is now a year or less younger than Weiss (she turned 16 between Volume 1 and 2 or earlier. He said that Ciel calling Ruby 15 in Volume 3 was a mistake and that Ruby is older). She is currently 18 while Oscar is 15. I don't know if the Romeo and Juliet law applies for them but in the UK, Rosegarden is definitely illegal if it were real. Baring the gross ages, Ozpin is still in Oscar's head and can possess his body without his consent. Furthermore, Ruby as a main protagonist has lost even more of her agency with Oscar *existing* as her *friend*. Seeing CRWBY's track record with romance (one party's agency is always sacrificed for the other) I wouldn't trust them not to mess it up and make Ruby even more irrelevant than she currently is by being Oscar's girlfriend. At least Weiss is also one of the primary protagonists, so focus on Ruby won't be utterly forfeited by them dating. Personally, Ruby shouldn't have any romance in the show at all. But I understand that there's a huge anti-hetro sentiment among stans, which is the reason for a lot of the hate for Rose Garden. It's very gross and strange.


BitesTheDust_4

>Personally, Ruby shouldn't have any romance in the show at all. She could have little but it definitely wouldn't be the focus. She would definitely be work first.


MountainHall

He went back on that claim btw.


GrandEmperessVicky

I thought he got Kerry or Miles to recontextulise his statement. One of them said that Ceil calling Ruby 15 in Volume 3 is wrong and a "typo" in hindsight. Ruby isn't as young as we assumed she was. So he didn't go back on it, but he did rephrase it.


MountainHall

Here it is: https://old.reddit.com/r/RWBY/comments/k5hx7l/as_per_eddy_in_the_ama_today_ruby_was_14_when_she/geg42vo/ They had talked about it before the AMA and come to the conclusion that Ciel's line was wrong and said that the semester started in august (with Ruby being 15). They hadn't thought of the implications of that so when confronted with that Eddy said: *I'd love to continue this conversation at a later time, so for now -- let's strike through what I said in the AMA (the better but more frustratingly vague answer would have been to say that when Volume 1 was written, that was the intention, but let's not canonize that), and I'll read more of what you guys have to say and make sure to circle back up about it internally. I totally apologize for any confusion I caused from that comment.* So he said we should put a strikethrough what he said in the AMA (that the semester starts in August) and thus we're back to trying to fit our timelines with the facts.


FanganChild

Well hey, it's the RWBY fandom. Just go to the main sub and diss Bumblebee and state why BlackSun was so much better and be sure to call it garbage at every turn. This will get you quick death threats faster than anything. On a more related note, this is why I can't take shipping in the fandom as fun for ideas and head cannons you believe might have the chance of coming true anymore. When your audience contains lunatics here and there so quick to send you death threats, then you come to realize something. 1: Shipping in RWBY is taken too seriously (especially since Bumblebee has confirmed that). 2: You have toxic keyboard warriors willing to wish endangerment on you if their mental capacity is thin enough to the point they can't think like a rational human because you don't like their ship, or you see the major number of flaws with it. 3: When you see why some former shippers drop out from the shipping section that RWBY contains, it only makes you dive further into why some - most don't enjoying shipping as much in this fandom. Shipping isn't a bad thing. It's always been apart of every show, movie, game, book, etc. But when some people in your viewing audience want to hope that someone else in your community meets an untimely end because you don't like their ship, then we have a problem. Enough said and done.


pizza_parties

> Just go to the main sub and diss Bumblebee and state why BlackSun was so much better and be sure to call it garbage at every turn You can’t just go to a place where people like a ship and expect them to be okay with you shitting on it, the fuck? I obviously don’t condone threats, because I know my words will probably be twisted around - but this is seen as rude or toxic behavior in fandoms. It’s the same way the other way around: if a bumblebee shipper behaved this way, we Blacksun shippers would be pissed.


FanganChild

Bro, no one is even saying that. It's just an example bruh. Of course no one would ever do this, but you can't be too sure in today's generation. People done a lot of stupid things over a fictional character, just saying. On a more related note, it's the main sub. If most of them on the main sub can't handle criticism for a ship such as bumblebee, then I highly doubt that there isn't someone out there willing to shit on someone else's ship because they think Blake and Yang were meant to be. I'm not here to disagree with you though; I'm just mostly giving my thoughts.


Puzzleheaded-Truck-5

You should seen the things I've seen. It insane how extremist these fan are, and very possessive of their head canon that's it literally a cult. I've heard people getting dox on twitter over shipping in the fandom. Or being bashed over for shipping certain characters together. Example, Winter x Qrow, BlackSun, Ironwood x Weiss, not my type but people do people, Yang x Mercury, if you do that you're immediately accused of being a homophobic. And the most bizarre one is the fantasising and romanticising abusive ships, Cinder x Emerald, Cinder x Winter.


patchlocke

r/killthosewhodisagree


Dragon_Of_Magnetism

The only acceptable ship for me is Weiss x Torchwick’s ghost


MadMasks

“Oh I get it, you want some REAL emotional investment? . . . . . . …Did you know that my sister and I were cursed to be BIRDS?!?!?!”


0MrSoap0

If you have a single thought that is not exactly the same as what I think a 100% of the time...YoU sHoUlD fUcKiNg DiEeEeE!11!!11!!!!11


Tobi-Is-A-Good-Boy

Well at least the Clown avatar is accurate to the dumb shit spewing from their corroded brain.


Feisty_Goose_4915

It's kind of immature to be honest.


JohhnyBeatles

Don’t watch RWBY anymore but still kinda wished for Rosegarden to be canon when I did watch it.


The_new_guy_2

The RWBY fandom is just Rooster Teeth's Version of Twitter.


misterwulfz

Romance plot in it self isn’t bad. It’s how’s it’s done, like the thing with rosegarden, I don’t see them being “shipped” they are kids and learning to be friends. The plm with Bee is that it feels like they ONLY talk to each other now


MadMasks

Welp, after seeing las trailer, these people must be foaming at the mouth right now…


like_with_a_cloth

Can confirm, been banned from more than one discord for supporting Rosegarden. What are these idiots gonna do when it becomes canon? It's a hell of a lot more likely than Whiterose.


TheRecklesss

You're assuming that crwby will ever have the *balls* to make anything canon until maybe the very last episode of the series, after every mini-webseries, prequel-series, novella, manga, etc has squeezed the very life out of it.


MountainHall

It's silly to get worked up about random shit like this imho. Sure, people shouldn't be assholes (even if RG is icky) but it's going to happen if people are free to communicate.


th4tguy_404

I'm not a fan of Rosegarden because I don't like Oscar but what in the actual fuck.