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Kang or not, Loki is a helluva show, and some of the MCU's best.
Absolutely, mate. If there's a no-show on Wednesday, this sub may look like England rn.
EDIT: Shouldn't have brought that into this.
I love It’s use of time travel and multiple universes as a gateway to existentialism and finally having Loki examine himself to why his nature leans towards this way and the faults of his will and external forces.
This show is popular on a scale the other shows like WandaVision and TFATWS weren't. Even people who aren't interested in the MCU are giving it a shot.
I think WandaVision and Loki are both on par when it comes to popularity tbh. WandaVision benefited from being the first Marvel content in over a year and the social media chatter about that show was INSANE. Loki’s is insane as well though, I’m not trying to downplay it. I just think they’re more or less equal when it comes to popularity.
WandaVision really broke into the mainstream in a way that very few other MCU projects have (IW, Black Panther, GotG). I gotta give it the edge here. Loki is definitely great, but this isn’t about quality.
Yeah, if I honestly had to say which one was more "popular," I'd say WandaVision. It legit got like like Infinity War and maybe even Endgame level chatter.
But like you said, it isn't about quality. Even though I *loooooove* WandaVision, I do think Loki is the better show.
Yeah like WandaVision would trend for like 2 full days after every new episode.
WV got the non-MCU fan members of my family into the series and then they checked out halfway through FAWS
From a tv point of view, it’s had more interesting content in each episode compared to tfaws, and wandavision (sitcom stuff got abit tiring, downvote me if u dare) but Loki has had consistent good episode and brilliant performances from the cast, deffo the best show in my opinion out of the three
WandaVision I felt peaked with its 80’s episode. From that point on it felt like it was avoiding actual confrontation with Wanda with the Agatha subplot as a red herring to that main plot point.
Agreed, I also didn’t understand why Agatha was in westview when Wanda did her madness hex creation, she was just sorta there from the beginning, and then it became classic marvel villain, people with same powers, I dunno I found Agatha vs Wanda boring coz they basically did the same thing for like 5 mins
Yeah, Loki's quality is better for sure. But unlike in GOT, the finale needs to be as good as the show, if it wants to be memeorable.
I would be disappointed if Kang doesn’t come out, but it won’t ruin the whole show imo. But knowing this sub it’s going to be Wandavision’s finale all over again
I just hope the finale isn't standard MCU fair like the finale to Wandavision was. That was what ruined the ending to Wandavision for me along with Wanda seemingly getting off scot-free and Heyworth suddenly decides child murder is okay.
Out of all the criticisms for the finale honestly don't get people bothered by Hayward trying to commit child murder. I feel like a lot of people gloss over the fact that he literally knows they are not real. From his perspective and the other SWORD agents he watched them be created out of nothing just like the rest of the town. He was definitely a bad antagonist overall, but this criticism I never really understood.
I don't really have an opinion on Kang so I wouldn't even be disappointed if he doesn't show up. I just hope that whatever they do, they nail the ending unlike WandaVision. Although the writing has been extremely consistent with the quality so I doubt they'll drop the ball now
I think its going to be a loki and hes going to warn sylvie and loki about kang or immortus or he who remains but think they will stray from that. Obviously whoever it is they are at the end of time so they know what happens and tried to stop it somehow
i remember everyone saying this about WV before the finale... what made people mad were the levels of expectations ann ralph bohner; and marvel can only be blamed for one of those
hopefully Loki's finale goes well, I really want to have a good finale memory
Loki's writing has been consistent leaps and bounds ahead of the competition though.
People expected Wandavision's finale to be better than normal, and it was even worse than normal, so those standards were bound to clash.
Everyone is fixated on the Thunderbolts, but I'm very curious about the other team Jac Schaeffer is setting up.
Ralph Bohner and Fanny Longbottom, who else will join the Sinister Sex?
Alexi the pig
Croki, who I’m fairly sure is responsible for putting throg in a jar
He has the eyes of a deceiver
Remember Cosmo the Spacedog? He definitely escaped the Collector's prison all those years ago.
After this week, Hawkeye seems to be very interesting
Between Swordsman, Yelena and the Tracksuit mafia, I'm looking forward to seeing Clint in over his head
And Lucky the Pizza Dog, the true star of the MCU.
The Clown making an appearance has me hyped.
Oh shit I must’ve missed the Swordsman confirmation. Even more hyped now. I’d love to see Trickshot too
And Tony Dalton is playing him!
Already getting my hopes way up for Fisk for no reason other than sheer over expectations lol
That only ever leads to heartbreak, my friend
I know :(
I work box office at a movie theater, and Black Widow had a crazy opening weekend. We finally removed all of our COVID restrictions, so we were sending theaters out that were 90% or more full. I’ve seen the movie an absurd number of times now, Tuesday for the employee screener, Thursday with a crowd on opening night, and a bunch of times on D+. So excited for Yelena in Hawkeye
I am honestly surprised that Black Widow beat opening weekends from pre Covid films like Wonder Woman. THEATRES ARENT DEAD!
>!although they kinda are in my country :(!<
If all goes well, hopefully theaters will open everywhere in the world by the time Shang-Chi releases.
Fuck shark week, ITS KANG WEEK
Loki is by far my favorite of the D+ shows so far. It isn't perfect, but as far as story, pacing, and how engaging it is, I feel like I could re-watch the series over and over and still be entertained.
I'm really hoping that by the end of this we'll see anti-hero Loki. I'm loving his character development and the softer moments with him, but seeing President Loki in episode 5 gave me whiplash with how much I adore the character when he's being sly and sinister. I'd love to see a balance between the two aspects of the character: someone who has grown and gained empathy and a moral compass, but is still the God of Mischief and can't help but be a conniving little shit.
It was an amazing feeling seeing Tom Hiddleston's Loki act mischievous and evil again.
Jonathan Majors will be in the final episode of Loki
But are you sure? 😳
I just want to say for some 0.0001% chance he is not in the show Loki has been awesome and honestly the variant concept was executed perfectly. I have been blown away each week. No matter how it ends I will be happy!
That being said Jonathan Majors will appear in episode 6 lol
Sadly i think we’re all just getting our hopes up and they’ll save him for quantumania happy to be wrong though
I think it's possible, but betting on it is a mistake. All the comic reference breadcrumbs only mean something if you know the comics. To casual fans who are watching the show for Loki and his personal growth, a last second villain reveal of a whole new character in the finale could feel out of left field. We'll see what happens.
There are a few breadcrumbs, like Qeng, but central plot elements like the TVA, Renslayer, Alioth and the Sacred Timeline are not, and they're all connected to Kang/Immortus.
To play the devil's advocate here, they could all be just deep-cut Easter eggs.
True. My heart isn't set on kang, I think it's more likely he'll be relegated to a post credits scene. But I don't think main antagonists like Ravonna and central locations of interest constitute easter eggs.
>last second villain reveal of a whole new character in the finale could feel out of left field.
It's not out of left field. The expectation is plainly stated that they intend to meet the TVA creator, the man behind the curtain. Since there are no strong hints it's someone we've seen before, we should expect to see someone new. If it's Kang, it fulfills the expectation. And then they have the whole hour to explain him.
If it's King Loki, that would be a twist, though a predictable one since all we've been doing is meeting Loki variants.
More than a 5 second post credit scene?
Honestly based on all of the details I have read and I have been following this like a hawk since September 2020 I feel like it should be a couple minutes of footage. Again just a fan with no inside sources whatsoever but I really think they laid the groundwork for this to happen but people are to scared to follow the path. I wouldn’t keep saying it unless I was that confident.
Even that would be enough for me and many others here, because we know he's coming in a large role.
Reiterating last week's comment in a different context:
As a great soldier once said "Patience is the key to victory. Sometimes it leads to little, it feels like it isn't worth it, and you wonder why you waited so long for something so disappointing."
If you were really Kang, you would never need to wait for anything
I don't mate;-)
But almost everyone else needs to.
The most we’ll get of Kang in Loki (if anything) is a voice or a few seconds of his face, like Thanos in 2012
I’ll stand by my prediction but hopefully I’ll be proven wrong
RemindMe! 2 days
Honestly I thought Black Widow was great but the ending and post credits scene were both botched. First, why exactly did they cut from Natasha seemingly getting captured by Ross to her on the run 2 weeks later? That was extremely jarring and I actually had to go back to see if I missed anything. Not sure what the decision was there. Second, I absolutely hate how Val just came in and ruined an emotional moment for Yelena with humor. Like at least just have her waiting at the car after Yelena is done or something. Instead it's yet another case of the MCU randomly injecting humor into emotional or serious scenes. I love these movies but it's been 13 years now and they still can't help themselves with the humor. Just needed to get this off my chest lol.
The intent in cutting to two weeks later was to imply she just easily escaped captivity, a callback to the opening where she told Ross he was embarrassing himself by chasing her. We didn't need to see it, because she made quick work of it and it didn't matter. This is what I took from it anyway, but I guess it didn't land with a lot of people.
Anyway, the scene with was originally longer, going by trailers, so a deleted scene will clarify.
Yea and to keep some mystery about the character. That mystique is part of the character’s appeal, and the early part of the film sets up that she can be multiple steps ahead of Ross, so we understand that she can successfully wriggle her way out of the jam. The movie just decides not to turn over every card; and of course the mystery just helps keep things open-ended for Marvel to go back and write in some of those details in the future if they need to. Plus, we already know she gets away because of where she ends up in IW
No yeah you're absolutely right. They're a bit too afraid to get real at times. One of the things I loved about wandavision. It was perfectly comfortable with getting heavy and committing.
It's fair. As a fan of the MCU they do insert humor into scenes that should be far more heartfelt. It's like they're scared we're gonna feel something in our hearts that's not a laugh. As much as I do generally enjoy in the comedy in the films, emotional moments deserve their weight and the Black Widow post credit scene was definitely one of them
I feel like the Loki finale will be really divisive, like WandaVision...Let’s hope it turns out better. The show's been 10/10 for me so far and I really hope that they’re able to stick the landing.
im keeping my expectations low after WV
and bcuz of that i was not that upset with fatws ending
My crazy prediction is that instead of Kang, we’re gonna get Immortus or something like that and they’ll be a Variant OF Kang, then when Loki and Sylvie kill him, it’ll allow mainline Kang to exist or something I dubno
That's not a bad theory. Their was a rumor that the version of Kang that shows up in Loki won't be the same version we get in Quantumania despite still being played by Jonathan Majors.
If Shuma-Gorath is, in fact, in "What If..." and "Multiverse of Madness", then I think we will end up getting more MCU animated series that are canon to what's going on in the live action projects (similar to what Star Wars has done). There are certain MCU stories (like What If...) that literally HAVE to be animated because there's no logical way for them to tell the stories in live-action.
I hate that so many people will skip out on "What If..." because it's animated, but unfortunately, there's probably always going to be a negative stigma around animation in comparison to live-action.
Unfortunately yeah it's pretty true. Overall I'd prefer live action but I'll gladly take animation over not getting the series at all in most cases.
I agree, but I've always been a "Story first" kind of guy. Sure, live-action usually looks better, but if the story is great, it can be the worst animation quality and I'd still enjoy it. An example I always go back to is the Telltale Games. The stories of those games (specifically Walking Dead, Wolf Among Us, and Batman), are incredible, but the visual quality and gameplay is garbage. But I love those games regardless because I love the stories.
I'd rather have a great story with shitty visuals than not having that story at all (and I actually don't mind the animation style of "What If..." from what I've seen so far)
That animation style reminds me of a more polished version of the art style used in that 2009 Iron Man animated series.
In some ways, it’s even more depressing for Star Wars because some of the best Star Wars stories/arcs, etc., have come out of the animated series. They’ve done some great work. And one of the things about The Bad Batch that I’ve been impressed by is how cinematic the filmmaking is. Obviously the animation is even more polished and beautiful, but everything in the show from pacing and tone to blocking and camera movement feels very cinematic. At times it feels like it has more in common with live-action filmmaking than the kind of visual language and pacing that’s typical of animation. I kind of feel like it deserves to be considered on-par with live-action stories, at least in Star Wars.
Post credits scene will be Kang on a jetski
I made a post here but the mods didn’t approved. The Tobey Maguire voice actor in Brazil responded a few questions about NWH and his voice on the trailer. Here is the [profile](https://instagram.com/manoloreyoficial?utm_medium=copy_link). You can watch his stories and see some questions about NWH.
Could you translate
He blinked at the camera and made this: 🤐.
Idrc about Kang showing or not showing up in this week's finale but man if they don't give my guy Mobius his jet ski I swear
They 100% will.
Calling it now, it will be King Loki behind the TVA. The Loki, who unlike the other Lokis won everything. He was eliminating all other Lokis as he felt only a Loki could defeat him. Two reasons for this- it fits the overall narrative of the show and also, there is a shot of Loki as a king in one of the trailers, which has not been shown yet.
However, I personally hope it is Kang. Just don't get your hopes too high...
I’ve posted this theory a few places now, but I predict a way where it can be Kang, satisfy the story the themes, and explain the promo shots.
Kang could try to tempt our Loki by showing a timeline he could grant him where he rules Asgard. Our Loki rejects this, showing he doesn’t want to rule anymore, and defeats Kang. Trailer footage is when Kang shows him the potential tempting timeline.
Yep he somehow traveled to the end of time and created the timekeepers and the TVA even though he’s not a tech genius
The Timekeepers being androids is just so un-Loki-like to me… If a supreme Loki was behind everything, why not just use magic to deceive the TVA? It makes me doubt the King Loki theories.
And that castle doesn’t look asgardian at all to me
Exactly! If Classic Loki could create a facsimile of Asgard with his powers, why couldn’t a supreme Loki? I feel like he would style himself in every way the ultimate king of Asgard, time, and space. That Dracula looking castle isn’t his style.
That's my thing too. Wanting power is very Loki-ish but keeping up this whole thing with the time keepers and the sacred timeline just feels so unloki-ish, since he's literally about mischief not order
Right?! And even if a King Loki did pull a complete 180 and suddenly subscribed to extreme order, wouldn’t he still want everyone and their mothers to know he was behind it? TVA Loki literally admits to being a narcissist lol
If Kang isn’t in it I won’t be dissatisfied or disappointed
My uncle passed away last Friday due to a heart attack so I'm going through grief. He was a Bangladeshi Freedom Fighter and a very loving person. 💔
Black widow was fun summer blockbuster movie but felt disappointed that MCU used Taskmaster as skin for new character with winter soldier brainwashing. May be they will do Mandarin retcon later.
The main villain of Loki might be a Loki variant since it makes more sense narrative wise and Kang Easter eggs were just red herring. If they made Kang was all along it would be cool since we know he will be in AM3 and TVA might be in quantum realm and if they didn't we can see another Charles outrage.
Kang or no Kang (or any sort of Kang variation like Immortus), Loki has been a blast of a show. I think it definitely stands out against the other two D+ shows in pretty much every aspect. Plus It’s like a much better Doctor Who imo. I’m excited to see how it all ends and what season 2 will look like.
Also saw Black Widow earlier today and had a fun time! Florence Pugh as Yelena and David Harbor as Red Guardian were definitely the standouts. And honestly if weren’t for that end credits scene, I’d 100% watch this in between Civil War and Infinity War on future MCU rewatches.
I assume it’s mostly memeing (or at least I hope it is) but I’ve seen a fair amount of people singling out Jac Schaefer for things they didn’t like about Black Widow. I get she has a story credit for the film but there’s two other writers credited as well. Who’s to say those elements aren’t from the other writers? I don’t really know how story and script writing and crediting on film of those things work but it just seems weird to me to single her out in particular other than because of peoples dislike of the WV finale.
Just thought I'd put this out there. A lot of people think that Kang being behind everything in Loki and being the main villain wouldn't make sense because Kang hasn't been in the show all this time but let's look at another Disney+ series: The Mandalorian Season 1 (I know it's not the same thing but hear me out).
We didn't get Moff Gideon in Mandalorian Season 1 until a cameo at the end of the season's second last episode and a full appearance in the season finale despite him being behind almost everything in the season and putting the bounty on Baby Yoda (I don't think Gideon was even explicitly mentioned or teased before the penultimate). Kang being behind everything in Loki despite only being in the finale is possible. While they are different franchises under different studios, it's not unheard of for Disney+ to not have the "main villain" show up until the end.
EDIT: Well it looks like we now have another example of a main villain not showing up until the end of the season :)
It also wouldn’t be an “out of knowwhere” reveal like many seem to think. The man behind the TVA has been an important character in all 5 episodes, even if he didn’t appear physically. Loki, Sylvie, and now Renslayer have been working towards and fighting for a confrontation with him all season.
Right. Sylvie and Loki have been on a mission to meet someone new, the TVA creator. That's quite literally the expectation, so saying it can't be a new character is bonkers. Sure it can.
That is true too. Sylvie and Loki want to know who's behind all this, Kang being revealed to be behind all this wouldn't be too far-fetched.
King Loki would make less sense to me than Kang
And it would be such a boring, predictable reveal. Like, wow guys you DEFINITELY played us. We TOTALLY did not see that coming a mile away -____-
But yeah, I trust these writers. They have surprised us at every turn by making it so that all or most of your predictions for the next episode are wrong and they present BETTER alternatives which has honestly been a blast.
[Here's my theory for how it could be Kang but also be a character we know...](https://www.reddit.com/r/MarvelStudiosSpoilers/comments/oijkf0/weekly_free_talk_thread_new_and_fresh_every_monday/h4w55d1?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3)
Some more GlobalDetail items that I got for the list of *Spider-Man: No Way Home* rumors from him:
- F.E.A.S.T. is being treated like a soup kitchen to help homeless and ill people. (I think that it's basically the same as it was in the comics, and the PS4 game?)
- Green Goblin's pumpkin bombs are making a return, with some releasing green smoke.
- Expect major damage to Tom's suit.
- Tom messes with something at the Sanctum Sanctorum. (Probably first act-related.)
You can read the others notes [here](https://old.reddit.com/r/MarvelStudiosSpoilers/comments/o9chwr/weekly_free_talk_thread_new_and_fresh_every_monday/h3am6gi/?context=3).
There's a big action scene between Tom and Dafoe on the Queensboro Bridge where he use the pumpkin bombs to blow off the bridge.
CAME BACK TO THIS! THIS IS WHAT WAS SHOWN IN THE LEAKED TRAILER!!!!
bro are you serious?
Yeah same, I'm a bit skeptical on the No Way Home leaks but he hasn't been wrong yet
These Disney+ series are great. Before I watched all of them I didn't really care for Scarlet Witch, Sam or Bucky, and Loki. Now they're among my favorite characters in the MCU and I'm excited to see more from them.
Here’s to another week of being disappointed by Sony! Cheers 🥂
New NWH leak. First part:
The first scene takes place in an abandoned building somewhere in New York at night. A group of teenagers is exploring this abandoned building for a livestream. They talk about how the place is supposedly haunted. They eventually encounter a mysterious figure stumbling out of the darkness, clad in green armor, but injured. The teenagers are scared, but they attempt to mock the figure, but they run as soon as the figure starts walking towards them. This figure is none other than Willem DaFoe's Green Goblin, wearing his armor from the 2002 Spider-Man movie, but without the helmet.
An extended version of the breaking news report from the ending of Far From Home plays over the Marvel Studios logo, then we see a montage of screens broadcasting the same video we saw at the ending of Far From Home when Mysterio exposes Peter Parker as Spider-Man, and of course, JK Simmons' new version of J Jonah Jameson. Spider-Man is holding his head in panic, just as he was at the end of Far From Home, he looks back at MJ and then back at the screen. We then see the reactions of various people. We see Flash Thompson drop a snack from his mouth as he's watching, surprised at the fact Peter is Spider-Man. Ned is with his mother, just as shocked.
Spider-Man swings away as people look at him, telling MJ to meet him back at Queens, Aunt May frantically calls him about what's happening. Spidey tells her that he'll be home soon and that they should move away as he fears there might be a mob that will attack their home. Spider-Man arrives at their apartment building in Queens and they talk about what to do, calling Happy. Obviously, Aunt May, Ned, and MJ know that Peter is innocent. They also attempt to contact Nick Fury, but he doesn't answer (because he's in space), then there's a joke about Nick ghosting Peter back for not answering "his" calls in Far From Home. Peter tells Aunt May that they may have time to figure things out since Peter Parker was just a normal teenager, so not many people will know where he lives anyway, but then they just suddenly hear a bunch of people gathered outside yelling at them, including Brad Davis and a few other students from Peter's school, who probably led the mob to his home.
Happy attempts to pick Peter and May up from their apartment, but the people in front of the apartment building are getting on his way. Peter sees Happy outside the window, gesturing for them to get back down. Peter quickly changes to his civilian outfit, goes back down with May, and confronts the mob, pretending to not know what the hell is happening. Brad Davis calls him out that he SHOULD know what's happening since his face was just broadcast all over the world. Happy comes out of his car and escorts them to the car.
In the car, they discuss what to do. Happy suggests hiring a lawyer so they can settle this legally as there's really nothing else they can do at this point. May says she might know someone, she pulls out her phone and starts contacting a lawyer. We cut to a courthouse, Peter is on trial. The lawyer is none other than Matt Murdock, played by Charlie Cox. The witness is one of Mysterio's accomplices. The court battle gets heated as the accomplice presents new evidence showing a more convincing footage of Peter killing Mysterio that was "not shown to the public". It's a video doctored with high tech so that it looks like Peter shot Mysterio at point-blank. They also mentioned that the video has been examined for any sign of fakery, none was found. Matt attempts to speak back, but he was cut off by the judge and branded guilty. Matt tells Peter that he'll find a way to fix this because he KNOWS Peter is innocent but also subtly implies that he knows he's also Spider-Man. This is the last we see of Matt Murdock.
Peter is arrested, he tells Aunt May that he has no choice but to serve his sentence and assures her he will be fine. Ned and MJ watch as police officers escort Peter out of the courtroom, past the crowd of people, and into a police car. We see a shot of Peter looking out the window of the police car, past the crowd yelling that Spider-Man is a murderer. Peter spends a day in prison, being bullied by other inmates, but he wouldn't fight back. In his cell, a tiny portal opens in front of him and a piece of paper comes out of it. It's a paper that reads "177A Bleecker St. Hurry." Peter escapes through the barred window by breaking the bars and crawling out. Ned and MJ are at May's house to accompany her so that she wouldn't be lonely. Peter comes in through the window. May, Ned, and MJ are surprised and happy that Peter escaped, but also concerned as that would just ruin his reputation further. Peter tells him that Doctor Strange is calling for him and he'll be going there, he recognized the portal. Ned and MJ ask to go with him, he disagrees at first but eventually agrees after being convinced that they'll always face what's ahead together.
They arrive at the Sanctum. They look around the place, and then look up to see Doctor Strange dramatically floating down the stairs. (this is the picture where Tom, Zendaya, and Jacob are looking up.) Strange explains that something dire is happening, and it's something far bigger than Peter's current issue. He leads them to a room with an orb in the middle, with vein-like trails all over the area. He explains that the flow of time has "somehow" been disturbed and that many realities are starting to bleed into each other. (Obviously, those who watched Loki know why this is happening.) Strange tells Peter that two timelines are merging into their own, but with the orb that he apparently dug up from somewhere, has the ability to slow down the merging process, but he notes that it's not quite like the Reality Stone. Spider-Man asks why did he call him in particular and not someone else, similar to how he asks why Nick Fury chose him to deal with the Elementals in Far From Home. Strange says that he is somehow the center of the current problem he's dealing with, a problem that's part of an even bigger problem. Doctor Strange explains he cannot use leave the Sanctum as he has to keep reality stable, and this is very difficult now as all of the Infinity Stones have been destroyed, so he has to rely on pure magic. He tells Peter that villains from various other realities that are just like theirs, yet "ever so slightly different", have been transported into their reality. Their realities all have something in common: Spider-Man.
Doctor Strange reveals that the villains are taken from various points of the timeline of the Tobey Maguire and Andrew Garfield movies. Doctor Octopus, played by Alfred Molina, is taken from the Sam Raimi universe while he was floating underwater during the ending of Spider-Man 2. Otto's consciousness is already dead, so it's replaced by the AI of the tentacles. Sandman is taken from before he encountered black suit Spider-Man at the sewers in Spider-Man 3. Electro is from after the events of TASM2, he has learned to control his powers to the point he got his natural skin color back instead of being blue all the time, he also wears a green and yellow outfit reminiscent of his classic suit. The Lizard is taken from the Oscorp tower during the final fight of
TASM1. Scorpion and Vulture are from the MCU, and have decided to team up with these versions. They are all working under someone, who is, of course, Willem DaFoe's Green Goblin, but we do not know this yet. To make sure that Peter is up for the task, Strange teleports Peter's Iron Spider suit to the Sanctum and combines it with magic, turning it into the Integrated suit. He tells Peter that it'll allow him to use magic that will allow him to put the villains in stasis and put them in the Sanctum so Strange can bring them back to their respective universe and timelines.
Peter actually ends up capturing all five of them and bring them all back to the Sanctum, but during his fight with Doc Ock, he gets heavily injured. Three of the villains are imprisoned in the Sanctum. Later on, a recovering Peter talks to Sandman and learns that back in his reality, his daughter Penny, is sick and that he's only been doing everything he can to save her. Peter recognizes the name and asks if her last name is Marko, to which Sandman says yes. Peter tells him that he knows a girl named Penny Marko in his school, who was happy and was the survivor of sickness, and that his father, Flint, died during a bank robbery in an attempt to get money to save her. Sandman reveals that his name is also Flint and sheds a tear. Peter asks what he's like in Sandman's world, he tells him that he only fought him once inside an armored vehicle.
Ned, MJ, Peter, and also May who also came to the Sanctum, spend the night there. Suddenly, they hear an explosion where the villains are imprisoned. Peter rushes back to where the villains are and found that most of them have escaped except for Sandman, who looks at him and says he's sorry, before disappearing. Strange was caught off guard and injured by the explosion, and he says the event has worsened reality's state. Strange warns Peter not to go after them while injured, but Peter tells him that he can't just sit by and let innocent people get hurt because it's his responsibility. Spider-Man dons the Integrated suit again. Strange gets an idea. Sandman is trying his best not to hurt him, but the rest of the villains nearly kill him.
Spider-Man ends up crashing into a rooftop, completely battered more than he ever was before, where a figure clad in a green and purple hoodie approaches him. He takes off his hood, revealing him to be Norman Osborn of the Sam Raimi universe. This scene is a homage to that scene in Spider-Man 1 where Goblin talks to Tobey's Spidey after dosing him with sleeping gas. Norman reveals that he was taken from the ending of Spider-Man 1, just seconds before he was about to be impaled by his own glider. At first, this scene is done with archive footage of the 2002 movie, but then it blends with a newly shot scene where Norman is suddenly teleported just as his glider crashes into the wall he was laying on. We also learn that he was actually sent into the PAST of the MCU, so he had time to actually murder the MCU's own Norman Osborn, preventing Oscorp from existing in the MCU. Instead of turning Oscorp into a big name, he instead waited for the right time to strike. At first, he thought the MCU didn't have a Spider-Man but later found out about his existence because of the events of Homecoming and Far From Home
Norman prepares to kill him as he has learned his lesson not to let Spider-Man live so he wouldn't get in his way, but he was saved by none other than Andrew Garfield's Spider-Man, wearing his TASM2 suit. (At this point, I'm gonna refer to them by their actor names as to avoid confusion) Norman shouts at Andrew and attacks him, but he gets thrown back. Andrew grabs Tom and takes him back to the Sanctum. (Note that the script says something like 'que TASM fanfare', which I assume is them playing the main theme of either TASM1 or 2 as Andrew's own personal theme music, I wouldn't be surprised if this is the only scene we hear it, though.)
Back at the Sanctum, Ned, MJ, and May are surprised to see another Spider-Man carry Tom to them. There's a gag here where MJ admires how tall this version of Spider-Man is. Andrew unmasks himself and says that he came to help, noting that weird things have been happening back in his world as well. He was taken to the MCU a few months after the events of TASM2. Doctor Strange says that he used a "forgotten spell" that's able to pull inhabitants of other universes to the MCU. While the breach can do this as well by random, the spell allows him to specifically choose who to bring over, hoping that two Spider-Men are enough to fight the villains.
Somewhere, the Sinister Six have formed a base. They are not called "Sinister Six" during the movie, though. Sandman wants to go back to his universe, but the rest of the villains plan on killing the Spider-Man of this world instead and conquering it, saying that they no longer have any purpose back in their worlds as they have already failed. Lizard notes that he hasn't failed yet, but Norman tells him that he was destined to, but perhaps it could be different in this world. They plan on attacking the Sanctum themselves, kill Strange and the Spider-Men, steal the orb, and attempt to bring more versions of themselves into the MCU somehow. Vulture and Scorpion then join them, picking up directly after their interaction in Homecoming's post-credits. Since they're not magic users, Norman has the idea of using the technology of the MCU's Norman to control the orb's power. However, this is found out by Doctor Strange himself who uses an astral projection of himself to infiltrate them.
MJ and May talk with Andrew, asking him various questions. Ned and Tom stared at him at a distance. Ned says something like "dude, how is he you? you guys look nothing alike". Andrew approaches Tom and says he has a cool outfit and that he did well out there. Tom says that his suit was made by Tony Stark and that he's pretty sure he got his ass kicked. Tom asks Andrew if he knows Tony Stark, but Andrew doesn't recognize the name. The two bond when they start talking about their differences and similarities. It's things like the fact Andrew doesn't know a Ned while Tom doesn't know a Harry. Tom quips that he's been to space, but Andrew says he technically beats going to space by literally going to another dimension, but he does note he has never been to space. Andrew says that MJ is a nice girl and that Tom is lucky to have her, Tom assumes that Andrew also has an MJ of his own, but he only gets reminded of Gwen Stacy.
Before Tom and Andrew could finish their conversation, Strange interrupts them and says they need to prepare as the villains will come after them. Strange says that he'll help in any way he can, but he won't be able to give Spider-Man more of his magic, but Tom assures him that they can just build new armored suits to better protect themselves. Happy is informed by Tom that they'll need tech over to Strange's Sanctum. Meanwhile, Spider-Man's reputation is further damaged after his escape from prison and fight with the Sinister Six. Flash is the one being bullied at school this time for supporting Spider-Man.
With Happy's help, Tom and Andrew build new suits for themselves. Tom gets the black and gold suit while Andrew gets what is described as a high-tech suit that somewhat resembles a black and gold classic Iron Spider suit. While Andrew gets a high-tech suit, it's just Tom who is able to use magic.
Tom and MJ share a moment together outside. MJ tells Tom about how she's worried that they won't be together for that long because of the amount of danger Tom always finds himself in. Tom assures her that they'll be together as long as possible and that he will never let anything happen to himself or her. They share a kiss.
We cut to an NYC at sunset. We see a young woman being mugged by a thug played by Harry Holland. The thug is webbed up by Tobey Maguire's Spider-Man. His suit closely resembles his classic suit from the Sam Raimi movies with the raised webbings, but it's described as looking more sleeker with slightly smaller eyes. Tobey asks if the woman if she's okay. Tobey then takes a break at a rooftop, takes off his masks, and gets called by Kirsten Dunst's MJ through his cellphone. Cut to their living room where she is caring for their daughter, named May Parker, and tells her that they're almost out of pancake mix. They then start talking about Tobey's decision of retiring as Spider-Man as other heroes are now appearing in his world. (It doesn't say who these heroes are, this is only revealed through Tobey's dialogue. It's not written anywhere in the script who they are, either.)
Tobey arrives home, plays with his daughter, and then has a talk with Mary Jane about how he needs to be there more for his child. Tobey promises her that he'll take it easy now. We also get to see newspaper that seemingly implies that the events of the canceled Spider-Man 4 movie actually happened (or at least a version of it).
-Norman Osborn approaches the entrance of the Sanctum at midnight, he knew that Strange was expecting him. He monologues about how this new world is his chance to have something for himself, a chance to get something bigger than what he had back in the Sam Raimi movies. The rest of the Sinister Six start wrecking the Sanctum, but it's seemingly empty. However, Tom lands a drop kick on Electro's head after blending in a dark spot above him. As the two Spider-Men fight the Sinister Six inside, we get to see various Strange-related easter eggs from the comics, as well as other Marvel lore. A rematch against Andrew and the Lizard happens, in which Andrew tells him how he failed in his plan to turn everyone into reptiles and how he turned back into Curt Connors. A copy of Strange does his part in fighting, as well, but he ends up getting knocked unconscious due to being weakened from trying to bind reality from breaking.
-The fight is a pretty big one and ends with the two Spider-Men injured, but they were able to subdue the Lizard, Scorpion, Vulture, and Doc Ock. Tom attempts to capture Norman, but he catches him off-guard and stabs him with a blade through the shoulder. However, Sandman betrays Norman and attacks him. Sandman is then killed after Norman detonated what seemed to be pumpkin bombs filled with fluid. Turns out, Norman has a contigency plan that can kill all of the villains should they ever betray him. Tom yells at Norman and attempts to attack him yet again, but Norman summons a new glider that he stole from an old project run by the MCU's own Norman. While the two Spider-Men put up a good fight against him, they are ultimately overwhelmed by the glider's weapons, destroying their new suits. With the two Spider-Men down for the count, MJ strikes Norman in the head with a steel pipe, but it didn't hurt him. Norman slowly turns his attention to MJ. Tom screams at MJ to run, but Norman grabs her by the neck and tosses her across the room, slamming into a wall rather brutally. Tom screams, but is knocked down by Norman with one punch.
-Norman goes to the room where Strange's physical body is. The two have dialogue together. Norman says that Strange has spent too much time on trying to maintain reality that he has been severely weakened. Norman attempts to go for the kill, Strange lets go of the orb and fights Norman, but not before doing a brief spell on the orb that makes it glow red briefly. Norman is no match against Strange, but Electro then appears and takes the orb while Strange is distracted. Strange attempts to cast a portal in front of Electro as he attempts to escape, but Norman grabs Strange and throws him against a wall. Strange gets back up and he has disappeared.
-Tom craddles MJ who starts bleeding from the noise, mirroring the moment Andrew lost Gwen in TASM2. Andrew takes off his mask in shock. MJ dies. Ned and May console Tom, but Strange tells him that they've escaped with the orb, but he has brought one last back up, even though it isn't much.
-Andrew tells Tom about how he lost Gwen Stacy, Tom then shares how he lost Tony Stark, his own version of Uncle Ben, and now MJ. They then have a talk about how being Spider-Man will always lead to suffering, but they must perserver. Andrew tells Tom about how much he always wish he could have a second chance at saving Gwen's life, no matter in which form. Tom considers quitting being Spider-Man and just live his life as a criminal in jail, but Andrew tells him that he's unique in his world and while being Spider-Man may not always be a great time, it definitely brings happiness to others.
- Back in the Sam Raimi universe, Tobey is telling a speech to his daughter about how he'll think she'll grow up to be someone wonderful, but then a portal opens behind him. Mary Jane comes into the room as well.
The final fight is against the Sinister Six and the three Spider-Men. I've decided to skip a lot of scenes as they're mostly dialogue and character development. The fight ends with Norman attempting to bring back more versions of the Sinister Six over (but you don't get to see them), but all three Spider-Men gang up on him. The two other Spider-Men attempt to hold back the Sinister Six while Tom attempts to use the orb to bring everyone back to their respective timelines, but Norman's tickering with it has damaged it because it's "overloaded with energy" and using it risks destroying it. If the orb is destroyed, Strange will have nothing to use to at least try to fix the multiverse. Portals start appearing from the sky, buildings, cars (and even people) start falling from them. Tom successfully sends all the villains and the two other Spider-Men back to their respective timelines. Norman is put back in the last second before he's impaled by his glider. Luckily, the orb didn't break, but it's heavily cracked. Tom thinks about using the orb to bring MJ back to life and get his secret identity back, Strange warns him not to do that, but Tom doesn't listen and does it anyway. The orb breaks, and then Tom looks around as something happens, similar to when Thanos snapped his fingers. Strange asks what he has done as the screen fades to white.
-We cut to Tom waking up in his bed. He greets Aunt May good morning and heads for school. At school, he meets Ned. They see MJ walk past the hallway, but she doesn't recognize them, she also seems to be more popular than she was before. Tom recognizes her and becomes sad seeing her, but Ned doesn't, he just says that she's out of their league. We see a somber montage of a depressed Tom going about his day in high school. There's also a class about alternate dimensions. Tom walks out of a classroom after class and bumps into a blond girl, they say sorry to each other and make eye contact, but we don't see who this girl's face. Cut to black while we hear Tom ask what the girl's name is. Movie ends.
Strange gathers the remains of the broken orb and attempts to fix it, but is unsuccessful. He then senses something, hearing the faint sounds of children. Camera pans to his shoulder, revealing Wanda standing behind him with red glowing eyes.
That was a fun read, but I'm not buying it, sorry.
The first and biggest red flag for me was the inclusion of Vulture and Scorpion. Not only do they not really have any reason to be there in a multiverse story, but Vulture (and probably Scorpion) are going to escape from prison in Morbius, which releases a month after No Way Home. It's only me speculating on this part, but I'm willing to bet that not only does Sony have to keep their Spider-Man movies lined up with the MCU, but also with what they're doing, as well. Plus, having Vulture and Scorpion in there on top of the other villains adds up to a Sinister Seven, not a Sinister Six.
Harry Holland shares the screen with his brother, not Tobey, considering they were seen on-set together.
> I've decided to skip a lot of scenes as they're mostly dialogue and character development.
You could've gone more in-depth with this part to make the story more believable.
I will give you credit in that everything up until the point where you mentioned Vulture and Scorpion was incredibly believable and it was easily my favorite part of reading all this. I. Cannot. Wait. For. Charlie. Cox. The movie's gonna be great regardless and, now, all we gotta do is wait for this dang trailer to come out.
Just to point out, the leak is not mine. It was shared by another user here with a download link. I just downloaded and shared here the text.
Also just saw Black Widow. Everyone was awesome. Don't know why Taskmaster got all the hate. I feel this movie was more of an origin story for her. Like we'll definitely see more Tasky in the future.
It’s because Taskmaster has a personality. He’s cocky, overconfident and loves to talk down his opponents. The silent antagonist shtick really didn’t work for me
Yeah if this was Taskmaster's only appearance I'd be disappointed with that but since I'm pretty sure she's gonna get some focus soon I'm okay with it overall.
Like all of the main characters survived the movie. I can definitely hope for a future return. Maybe Melina did something along the lines of what Shuri did with Bucky to her?
Considering like 7-8 years have passed between then and when she'll likely next appear in the MCU's present-ish I think she'll be healed mentally and kicking ass on our screens sooner rather than later. Also looking forward to more Yelena, Alexei and Melina.
I just don’t find the silent big strong antagonist to be particularly compelling anymore. Also, as soon as they say Natasha killed a kid it was pretty clear who Taskmaster was going to be. Just wasn’t compelling and not an interesting enough spin on a pre-existing character to warrant anything more than an annoyed sigh in my opinion.
DanRPK hinted that there’s more. Not sure how or why, she was rescued. Unless they do the comics route of making her a mercenary
I think this was more of an introduction to Tasky rather than the one-and-done treatment I saw throughout Phase 2. Backstory, freed of mind-control and all. Now I hope we'll get a more comic-accurate smartass Tasky working for the Thunderbolts, or as a free agent.
Once again, I’m predicting that the big bad of Loki will be Jar Jar Binks.
Well look at Charles Murphy over here, spoiling shit for us!
You guys... I really liked Black Widow.
It was ‘marvel generic’ (something most movies suffer from which is why it took me a while to get into the MCU) but it was really fun, emotional and had heart. I think this is my favorite interpretation of Natasha.
I do have some small complaints (underutilization of Red Guardian, Melina and Natasha’s plan, ending fight scene and of course, Taskmaster) but with Scarlet exiting the role and us moving into Phase 4, I think those complaints are pretty irrelevant to the overall fun I had.
I think Marvel needs to stop hiring Jac Schaeffer to write every female MCU project, she’s just not very good with adapting certain things. Overall she’s very mid. Captain Marvel, Wandavision and now BW all have problems to me (but I don’t like nitpicking these female led projects when the male projects usually get away with the same issues)
Yelena is just, wow. Instantly likeable. Probably one of my top three female MCU characters now; Monica, Yelena and Hope. I’m hoping she befriends Sam and has that relationship that Nat and Steve had. Cap 4 featuring Sam, Bucky, Torres and Yelena? Please Kevin.
Also, final note, Phase 4 villains are turning out to be very underwhelming. Taskmaster was butchered, TFATWS had... whatever Karli was, Wandavision had Agatha (good character but very, very, very bland motives) and now we’re onto Loki where, let’s be real, the villain will either be the ‘supreme’ Loki variant or Miss Minutes. The last MCU villain I enjoyed was Ghost.....
Maybe I'm taking the praise too far, but "Mavel generic" is kinda like a Olympic medal. Even if it's a bronze medal, it's still a good thing.
What’s a Loki reveal that would piss you off the most that has a more than 0% chance of happening? Mines that Casey(guy with drawer of infinity stones in episode 1) ends up being the one behind it all.
Variant Tony Stark, or Stark related character. MCU has been too Tony Stark centric
Both WandaVision and TFATWS have had lackluster finales, let’s hope Loki doesn’t continue that trend
I’ve loved the Disney+ shows and think it is a great way to tell new stories, but after watching Black Widow there’s just a different feel watching a movie that I don’t think a TV show will be able to replicate. It’s hard to explain, but there’s just a superior feel to a movie. Maybe because shows take weeks to reach a conclusion/full story? I’m excited for all the Marvel Disney+ stuff but I just feel like films will always be the best way to show the most important/biggest MCU events. It’s random but this is the thoughts I had while watching the first MCU movie in two years
> but there’s just a superior feel to a movie
I've skimmed some media studies stuff on it, and I'm not an expert in the area and can't give citations, but what they said made a lot of sense to me.
Basically, television shows are designed to foster a sense of intimacy with characters. They become part of our weekly schedule as we welcome them into our own home. It's a friendly relationship: close, but not impressive.
Films, on the other hand, are this unique ritual where we have to leave our home and journey to *their* home (the cinema). We encounter films on their terms, not ours, and in an environment that is removed from our everyday experiences. It's an impressive relationship, but not close.
Of course, things are changing in the modern media environment where films can debut in our homes, and TV shows can drop all at once instead of becoming a reliable part of our weekly schedule. But that's how it's been argued that they fit into popular culture and how it impacts our perception of them, and the argument makes sense to me.
This sub is so fun, its helped me get through some rough times. Thank y’all for all the fun!
If you sort by controversial on this sub and scroll for a little bit, it’s kinda funny to see accurate leaks that nobody believed at the time. There was one leak for endgame that I saw that was about 70% accurate, and some people in the comments were like “totally fake. Why could captain marvel leave after the first twenty minutes???” It reminded me about how much bs was going around with endgame
Calling it now, the TVA was created by a former disgruntled Stark Industries employee to make sure that Tony always dies.
Flashback to February 2020:
Murphy wrote a [speculation piece](https://www.murphysmultiverse.com/connecting-imaginary-dots-owen-wilson-is-ugh-kang/) suggesting Owen Wilson was Kang. Basically, he had enough evidence then to know Kang was in this, but with no news of an actor being cast in that role, and with filming already under way, he wondered if it was Wilson. And he hated the choice, lol.
500 comments and nobody talking about Eternals, that might be the least hype movie on this sub I’ve rarely seen people mention it here
People are excited, we've just seen absolutely nothing since the teaser trailer was released. There's also the fact that the entire plot was leaked in this subreddit so there's no opportunity to theorise.
Kang is super likely for Loki, but this sub has been taking the Easter eggs as way to much confirmation for him being the this series. It could easily just be Easter eggs that are just for him in Ant-Man 3 and going forward. The MCU has been using Easter eggs to tease future projects since the beginning. Wakanda being on a map and name dropped in Age of Ultron along with Klaw’s appearance didn’t mean Black Panther would show up later in that movie
It was so good being back at the movies on Friday to see Black Widow. Bring on Venom 2, Shang-Chi, Eternals and No Way Home!
Funny how black widow didn't make me more excited for more black widow, but for more Hawkeye.
Yelena Bolova really made her mark. I'm so excited for her to take on the Black Widow name.
Loki episode 6 is stressing me out! I really hope they stick the landing. I have faith in Herron and Waldron who have been knocking it out of the park so far.
I mean we weren’t getting more black widow content anyways, obviously you can’t be excited for something that’s not happening
Some weeks ago on a free talk thread in this sub i said i was jealous of people who already got vaccinated. the next day i woke up to a call that it was my schedule to get it (we have a schedule and priority scheme because of limited supply). and just few days ago i got my final dose. some of my friends are also fully vaccinated or is about to be so...i guess life feels like it's going back to the bits of normal again, and I can finally see them soon.
Might catch flak for this take but Florence Pugh was *immediately* a better Black Widow than ScarJo ever was. ScarJo's take on the character was very boring and uncharismatic -- part due to writing, part due to acting -- and frankly I'm kind of glad that she's gone from the MCU, though it was still cool that she had such an important death.
Yelena can hopefully take over the mantle, more or less, and give us a more interesting take on the character. On the one hand, she's another glib smartass like many MCU characters, so some people may find that repetitive. But on the other hand, Natasha just had literally no personality at all and her big story moments have all been pretty cringe in my opinion (the ending of Winter Soldier is just flat-out silly).
The retrofuturistic aesthetic in Loki is absolutely gorgeous- it's such a cool idea and I feel like it's hard to achieve, but they really did that. All aspects of the show are so great, the story, the ACTING (some of the best acting I have ever seen and I'm not just saying this because I love tom hiddleston, literally everyone's acting is so amazing), the set design, the lighting even. No matter who ends up the villain, I know the finale is gonna be magnificent and I am so so so excited. I really have to give everyone who worked on the show a huge round of applause, my favourite hobby nowadays is rewatching Loki.
There seems to be buzz from a few places suggesting that we may finally be getting the *Spider-Man: No Way Home* teaser next week. I'll believe it when I see it.
Anyone else kinda disappointed with the lack of a prominent Natasha theme? The trailers all featured the same really cool leitmotif, but it wasn’t featured at all in the movie.
Hearing this would’ve been great: https://youtu.be/TcX390uAqlE
> Anyone else kinda disappointed with the Black Widow score
The score was one of the best parts of the movie imo. The way they used the Russian choir was epic.
Definitely worded that wrong. The overall score was great, but I just wish it had an easily distinguishable main theme. Wanda, Vision, Bucky, Sam, and Loki have all had their themes used fantastically throughout their shows, but Natasha has had none throughout her decade in the MCU. They had a great theme that fit the character in the first trailer, but it wasn’t used at all in the film
Finally saw BW (Disney+). It was meh. I guess I’m just tired of the MCU spy stuff bc it’s so underwhelming compared to the cooler stuff like GoTG, WV, Loki, etc. I really hope they kick it up a notch instead of pushing out these generic marvel spy movies.
Same.mcu always gets creative with their cosmic movies but the grounded projects seem to follow the same formula.
I’m genuinely excited for the Loki finale it has been solid from the start. Tom is giving a hell of a performance.
Okay guys, BONKERS THEORY TIME! I think I know how they could incorporate Kang into the show while also giving us a villain we actually know to root against.
The problem with having Kang be the big reveal as the villain is that it is kinda unsatisfying according to screenplay logic. So the villain is someone we haven't even met? Ummm cool(?). Which is why the previous shows and marvel films have also followed this formula of revealing that one character we've been following is the villain all along.
What if Sylvie is the antagonist? She's been playing him (and us) all along and she reveals herself when they come to the owner of that purple castle AKA her boss... Kang the Conqueror. It would solve both the problem of needing a villain the audience knows and giving Kang an introduction. She reveals that she's been working for him all along in order to destroy the TVA's leadership so that he can take over.
So basically, Kang is NOT the leader of the TVA. Not yet, at least. The timekeepers were real, and they WERE the people behind it but they died a long time back, not before leaving their animatronic robots with all the predictions they needed for the future or maybe they just gave them whatever they DID know at the moment. Which is why the TVA has just kinda been winging it for years and doing all the wrong things. Kang doesn't know they're robots obviously and still thinks they're alive.
Kang's plan is to take over the TVA himself so that he gets to influence the flow of the multiverse according to his plans. He recruits Sylvie when she escapes from the TVA and trains her both in her magic and normally as well. It's obviously not hard to get her to work against the TVA. He also tempts her by promising her that he'll find a timeline where she has a family and sending her there once all this is over.
So Sylvie 'completes' the mission by killing the robot timekeepers and brings along Loki to meet Kang cos she HAS begun to care for him regardless of everything and she hopes to get him to join her on Kang's side. Loki's obviously not a fan of this idea as it would exchange one TVA authority figure (the timekeepers) for another (Kang) which was not what he wanted.
Kang tries to turn him to his side telling him that he can give him whatever he wanted from the beginning, and he says he knows that deep down he wants to be the King of Asgard. He shows him a vision of a multiverse version of him getting crowned (which would explain the shot of King Loki) and says that he can easily put him in an universe like that where he's king. This will be like a moment of truth for our Loki, where he has to weigh everything he has learned so far in his journey (Lokis can be change and be be better) against getting something he's wanted all his life. It's even harder for him considering that Sylvie will be with him in this universe.
And then I guess he says No and big marvel fight starts. I have no particular prediction for how the show ends lol.
ALTERNATIVE THEORY TIME: I also think it'll be interesting if the TVA WAS created by Kang, just not the one Sylvie's working for. Lol what if (and this is REALLY bonkers) Kang DID create the TVA and Sylvie's working with an alternate universe's version of him to take him down so that this alt universe of Kang can take control?
Honestly, either of these theories are better than King Loki. That just feels tired after seeing so many Loki variants and predictable as hell, which is something I doubt the writers would do considering how unpredictable the show has been so far. Even if the rest of my theory turns out to be horseshit, I still think that Sylvie turning on Loki feels plausible cos it's something that's completely unpredictable and it would kinda put into question all the things Loki has learned throughout the show. Guess that's my bet for the antagonist, even though I hope it's not true cos I love them together ;-;
I'm honestly glad I went in fully blind with Loki, like no trailers or anything. I knew Loki would be great and with the premise it just felt rewarding watching it without knowing anything about it, it's been an amazing experience the last 5 episodes.
Where is hushpolocaps today?
That mother fucking crocodile is behind it all.
It's been kind of weird not seeing that Hush guy post here for a while. I hope he's doing alright.
I like your vest.
Considering how the TVA pretty much "fixed" everything when it came to Sylvie's bombing of the timeline, I'm curious what's going to happen in this upcoming episode that will be chaotic enough to lead into Multiverse of Madness and No Way Home. Because right now, there's not a lot of madness in this multiverse.
The TVA’s gonna be destroyed and different timelines will pass the red line,creating nexus events and maybe some of them are different movie universes
I know it’s the start of Phase 4, but I’m 100% watching Black Widow after “Civil War.”
I don’t really include post credits in my rewatches anyway.
Nice detail I noticed in Black Widow after a rewatch: one of the fake aliases that Natasha's friend got for her was "Fanny Longbottom". In the post-credits scene, Yelena's dog is named Fanny. So I guess in a way, Nat is still there for Yelena and all.
My guess (since we might get the trailer soon) for No Way Home is that Peter wants to escape to a reality where his identity hasn’t been revealed (because it means he can’t have a life with MJ) and the villains trick him with that.
Could also be the reason he seeks out Doctor Strange
So where will Val show up next? Hawkeye? She Hulk? Shang Chi?
I think there's a chance she shows up in a Shang-Chi post-credits scene (recruiting Abomination), but if not, then it's almost certain that she'll show up at some point in the Hawkeye series.
Since Taskmaster is such a hot debate at the moment, let's list all the places she could come back.
1. Shang Chi sequels
2. Captain America 4
3. Literally any film or show because they kept her alive for a reason.
A handful of Loki predictions:
1. Kang will appear, but not as the big bad. He'll be Renslayer's favorite analyst, who has been teased multiple times.
2. "Loki Prime" runs the TVA. He's the Loki who never lost, who won everything he ever wanted, until conquering time itself. The Sacred Timeline demands Lokis die so they never threaten Loki Prime. Our Loki will realize he needs to be humble and lose, or else he will cause as much pain as the sadistic TVA.
3. It ends with Loki and Sylvie separated, in an echo of the ending of Thor. One goes to the MCU, one stays with Mobius to help run a reformed TVA. Total coin flip on who goes where.
> Evangeline Lilly & Brie Larson in Wimbledon, London for the shooting of their films, 'Antman and The Wasp: Quantumania' and 'The Marvels'
> [Source 1](https://twitter.com/MFilmUpdates/status/1414271954396368903)
> [Source 2](https://twitter.com/brucexnat/status/1414267744611151875/photo/1)
Ok ok. Hear me out
What If…? | Aug 11 - Oct 13, 2021
Eternals | Nov 5, 2021
Hawkeye | Nov 10 - Dec 15, 2021
No Way Home | Dec 17, 2021
Ms. Marvel | Dec 29 - Feb 2, 2022
Moon Knight | Feb 16 - Mar 23, 2022
Multiverse Of Madness | March 25, 2022
She Hulk | April 13 - Jun 16, 2022
Wakanda Forever | July 8, 2022
Secret Invasion | Jul 27 - Sept 14, 2022
Armor Wars | Sept 21 - Oct 26, 2022
The Marvels | Nov 11, 2022
Wakanda Series | Nov 16 - Dec 21, 2022
GOTG Holiday Special | Dec 23, 2022
We won’t go more than 17 days without new Marvel content until 2023.
Also, Feige, if I’m close, you owe me a Variant jacket.
Really enjoyed widow. Was the best part of my week considering I found out that were all packed and ready to move and can’t move into our planned place, so now soon to be nomadic or homeless
Bruh. I loved Black Widow. I did not care about the villains at all.
But still loved it. I would Just like to see a movie of Natasha and Yelena doing sister stuff. Or even the whole family. A sitcom!!
Man. WandaVision (idk why) made me not care about villains. The character work of these Phase 4 projects have been everything for me. Im not really excited for Mandarin. Or Gorr. And Taskmaster always felt like a C-list character.
I want to see Whats up with Shang Chi. His back story. Not really him fighting Mandarin. Thats a extra for me.
I really hope we aren't seeing the trend we had in phase 1 and 2 of bad villains showing back up. The Flag Smashers and Taskmaster were pretty bad.
I think the Mandarin will be good in Shang-Chi.
Loki has been an amazing ride. The team has done an amazing job.
But I do have an issue with it: Loki has gone too soft.
He can be good and still be a badass too.
The way they have written Sylvie in comparison is someone who is a total badass and so tough that she even mocks Loki when he tries to do something brave (the dialogue when Loki tells her he planned to kill Alioth, for example. Sylvie has not had a character arc at all yet. She is the same, she does not feel remorse for having killed the TVA agents. A bit like how Wanda walked away without showing any remorse for her actions at the end of WV.
So it is as if being a badass means you can't evolve as a character and learn from your mistakes. I mean isn't this how Avengers became heroes? They made mistakes and grew wiser from them. They took responsibility for their mistakes. And they are all badasses in what they do, confident as f.
I just hope that for the last episode we get a bit of Loki's badass-ness back. He doesn't have to be bad again. I get that he is in a romance now but I miss his sassy badass side, that was one of the most special sides of Tom Hiddleston Loki.
So I hope he does something badass, and the entire badassness is not given to Sylvie again in the final episode.
I think Tom's Spider-Man is probably getting a 2nd trilogy. Having the 3 Spider-Men together in the next movie is probably going to be his last push to become a full Spider-Man like the PS4 game, and we are finally leaving highschool. I hope we get a new director.
Loki is probably the best MCU show out of the 3 rn in my opinion, Whether Kang is the villain or not.
I despise Film Twitter. It feels that anytime it pops up on my feed ( I really only use Twitter to follow announcements and stuff) it is constantly shiting on people for watching Marvel (or Disney in general) movies. Sure sometimes they aren’t amazing but people are allowed to like what they like. I know it sounds hypocritical, but I just wish that sometimes if people really do not like something that makes others happy, just keep it to yourself.
Edit: I also feel like I should say that I know that Disney is a pretty shitty company, but it’s not like “social media activism” is going to change the entire film industry and how Disney operates in general, especially when pretty much the whole world watches their movies.
I don’t know if people like this act as such in real life or not, but it’s annoying and rude either way. But I guess that is just Twitter and the internet in general.
[Jordan Maison says NWH trailer is next week...](https://twitter.com/JordanMaison/status/1415332577498517509)
I'm thinking Kang no longer wanted to control time because there was no fulfillment in it. There was nothing more to really conquer, just something to forever oversee. Being in charge of the TVA is probably incredibly boring to him and he wanted to be back in action again.
I have to say, Kang and Val are the two most intriguing (*and in my opinion, best cast / acted*) additions to the MCU so far in phase 4.
Probably will repost this next week since this is already 3 days old but I went to the universal Studios VIP tour earlier and the guide mentioned they were filming a new spiderman a few months ago, and Andrew Garfield was on set. I asked him again and he said he was sure it was Andrew Garfield.
There's not much I can do to prove this but I can at least show I was on the tour if needed
I don’t understand why a tour guide at universal studios would have literally any knowledge about Spider-Man
The tours are on the backlots so they occasionally see filming and actors
With Loki coming to an end, could we finally see the NWH trailer this coming Monday.
Fun game I thought of, take every important character in Infinity war, flip a coin, heads they are alive, tails they get dusted. Then think of a way they bring back the dead
Can it be explained to me why people want Miles Morales this soon, so badly? We’ve barely scraped the surface with Peter and yet that seems to be enough for the main sub.
Feels early to me too, but Holland is about to be 6 movies in including 3 solos. It’s not super unreasonable for people to be looking for a legacy character
Did anybody else find Black Widow just kind of sad? Knowing that the character would die in a few years made the whole thing kind of melancholic for me. And Scarlett is such a great actress who can convey real depth … and it felt like the filmmakers were trying to give us that with the shaky cam and the slower moments that lingered on Scarlett’s expressions and the random interactions with the supplier dude … I enjoyed the movie and I’m glad we know her origin story now but I can’t help but feel like the character didn’t get what she deserved … and there’s something about the narrative around the younger actress taking over for the seasoned actress that feels bittersweet as well … and when i think of Pugh i think of her amazing characters in Little Women and Midsommar as well so she brought this unexpected residual depth to her character that felt different than a normal Marvel movie … it’s probably just the prequel effect and the predetermined death of the character that made it a bit of an emotional cul-de-sac.
Black Widow was way better than I expected it to be, I loved Natasha's fake family and the fact that Alexi and Melina survived meant that they're more than likely going to be involved with the Winter Guard. Yelena Belova is a clear scene-stealer and I wouldn't be at all surprised if Marvel Comics gave her a major push like Iron Man had after his movie was released. The themes of child trafficking, covert operations and women manipulation was such a smart angle.
My complaints are the same as most other people's, the third act was a narrative and VFX vomit. Dreykov was severly underdeveloped because we barely see him and the butchering of Taskmaster's character was insulting. I get that they were trying to set up family abuse but Taskmaster was not the character to do that with. To add insult to injury, Mason had the perfect personality to be Taskmaster yet he was just a generic side character who just existed for inventory.
Cate Shortland is a fantastic director, she should be kept around and have more directing influence. As far as Jac Shaeffer goes, she can write great stories but her ignorance to the comics source material is actively harming her storytelling abilities. Either get her to read some Black Widow and Winter Guard comics to prepare for Black Widow's sequel or get a different writer who has created compelling spy/espionage/psychological thriller screenplays.
Anyone else getting the feeling that most of the plot leaks we’ve read (including the ones from leakers we considered “reliable”) for NWH are totally false. We got SO many leaks, and even leakers saying that we basically know the whole movie, but yet there wasn’t a single mention of not one, but two new suits before the toy leaks. I feel like that would be a big plot point that you can’t just leave out when describing the plot. And Spider-Man learning magic seems like it would probably be pretty important too.
Not related to the future of mcu but is there anyone who seen doctor strange while being high? Just to know your experiences
Also that movie should have won best visual effects academy award
I’m manifesting the trailer today
Had a dream last night where it was the 3 Spider-Man versus the Sinister 6 consisting of Dafoe’s Goblin, Affleck’s Daredevil, Keaton’s Batman, Contessa Valentina, Joe Russo, and John Cena