Did anyone else love Simon Moon? He always cracked me up whenever he showed up in an episode
By - AdApprehensive6202
I don't really hate him, like others do here. But I think he's better in small doses here and there, rather than a string of consecutive episodes.
He is a small-dose character, for sure. That's the way I like him.
Among my least favorite parts of the series. But glad somebody enjoys it if it's going to be there.
Liked him more than Daphne's mom. She was fine in small bits but wish she hadn't moved in with them.
Couldn't agree more!
This was a way to add conflict to their relationship l I hated it. If say, Niles had ended up with Roz, their relationship would already be filled with snarky back and forth sat one another, and as a result, no extra conflict needed. They spent the entire time trying to figure out how to Cary Daphne’s character through the series, and this is the only way they could conjure.
As someone from Manchester U.K,
I give his accent 4 out of 10 but his portrayal of a typical Mancunian man 11 out of 10
4 is generous.....
I’ve been to America a few times and most people ask if I’m Australian, so technically it’s not as bad as you’d think.
Most Americans think we are Australian. No idea why
They asked me that all the time and I'm from Brighton, don't think it's a manc thing 😂
My favourite time was in L.A. Someone first asked if I was Australian, I said no. They guesses again with Spanish again I said no. So I said they should one more guess and they blurted out Italian. 🤦♂️
And you said "bingo"
I just said I was Borg
I’m from California, and people think I’m from New Zealand abroad.
That keeps happening in the Only Fools special Miami Twice.
Apparently it wasn't originally in the script but while filming it happened so often they wrote it in.
I love that episode
That's fair enough. [Anthony LaPaglia](https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001439/) is from Australia.
Because Oasis never broke into the American market.
Fairly sure they did.
I went to Canada in 1997 and all that was on the radio there was Oasis and The Spice Girls it seemed to me.
Granted Canada isn't the US but if they were that popular in Canada I'd be very surprised if they hadn't made a decent foray into the states as well.
Well, I’m from Australia, and find most Americans in USA thought I was English. So, maybe it’s them not us!
Fellow northerner here: he sounds like dick van dyke, it’s abysmal! Almost as bad as daphne’s old boyfriend
I can’t stand any of the episodes with him in honestly, ruins the show for me
You mean one of those fiery Mexican Clives?
Yeah the accents of the brothers were a rare down point in the show for me. One I can forgive them for though
But it does baffle me somewhat. It seems every member of the Moon family grew up in a different part of the UK.
I always assumed they all had different accents on purpose.
This is my new canon.
Even if we ignore the geographical stuff, his accent is still atrocious.
I can't believe anyone likes him. His unravels with each word he says - by 10 words, he's speaking Southern California Surfer.
Michael - Robbie Coltrane - grew up in every part of England, then squished it all together.
People from Stockport and moss side sound totally different, but yes I totally get your point. A few London accents can be heard from her brothers.
Fellow Mancunian and fully agree with this.
Nice one our kid, it’s mint to find another fellow Manc in this sub. I’m mad for it.
translation - that’s great my friend, it’s really nice to find someone else from Manchester in this sub, it makes me happy.
Not just a Mancunian but a British boozehound in general. I love when he's sick and someone says sarcastically "Well, nothing another night of drinking can't solve" and he replies "Let's hope". Very relatable.
To be fair most of the time that’s true 🤣
Hah! That's a great viewpoint!
Ugh, I hated his character. It was one of the closest "jump the shark" parts of the show IMHO
I feel the same about Daphne's mother as well. I skip the episodes where they come to visit.
What’s the shark reference about?
> The idiom "jumping the shark" is pejorative, most commonly used in reference to unsuccessful gimmicks for promoting something. It is similar to "past its peak", but it more specifically suggests an unwillingness to acknowledge the fact. Originally, the phrase was used to describe an episode of a television comedy with a gimmick or unlikely occurrence desperately attempting to keep viewers' interest. Moments labeled as "jumping the shark" are considered indications that writers have exhausted their focus, that the show has strayed irretrievably from an older and better formula, or that the series as a whole is declining in quality.
We'll retire to the Winnebago and watch Jean Claude van Damme, the muscles from Brussels, fight the forces of evil.
Hope it's either Sudden Death or Street Fighter
I believe you missed a "ply his trade" in there, but I'm not looking at a script.
I am ashamed.
After a few clicks, I've proved both of us wrong!
"And then when our bellies are full and you've done the dishes, we will adjourn to the Winnebago, where Mr. Jean-Claude Van Damme, the "Muscles From Brussels" will ply his trade against the forces of evil."
Rose: He sounds like a prince!
Now you’ve dropped a clanger!!
Yeah but I bet she’s got a ripper body
Heads up, Suzie!
A "Suze" type, some pom pom waving, backseat bimbo, would be a perfect fit for Simon LOL
Anthony LaPaglia is such a great actor, and despte Simon being so sleazy, he does such a great job at it that it is hard not to enjoy the character. I think the same could be said for Daphne's entire family. Such great performances and entertaining dynamics!
He sounds like a prince!
Robbie Coltrane is the true gem of the Moon family
Absolutely. He's such a great actor. Reminds of the accent that Kevin McKidd does in "Brave". Plus...you can't go wrong with Hagrid.
If Michael Moon’s only audible line in a long rant had been “shouldn’t have said that” I probably would have died laughing lol
Ladies and gentlemen, mumble mumble, porty-pane, BOOM!
Yeah he really nailed the Manchester accent...
I def agree!
LOOKS LIKE YOU COULD USE AN ETIQUETTE LESSON
Personally I just found him annoying and wished he wasn't in any scene he happened to be in. Like every time he's passably funny I'm sure they could've just written something funnier or less boorish or just had a better episode where Frasier and Niles interact instead lol
Just the opposite reaction for me unfortunately. Everytime I see him, I think of his pronunciation of *winnebago*.
I. Despised. This. Character.
...Wot's 'is name?
You what?? I thought you'd wait for my return.
This will surely be downvoted but he was by far the worst, most irritating character that added absolutely nothing to each scene he was in. (P.s his accent was atrocious. Why they chose an Aussie to play a Manc is beyond me!)
Daphne's Mom takes the cake for me. But Simon is probably second lol.
I mean, I dislike him too, but you're overstating it. You've forgotten about Ann.
What do you think of Billy the ballroom dancer? He was the only brother who never peeked on Daphne in the shower.
One year, he grew little boobies!
Least favorite character 😵💫
Just another scare, then? Like that time back in school with that Pakistani chap?
####I'm telling you it was marmalade!
I hated him and most of his family with a passion of a hundred suns.
Here's my chance to tell you one of my favorite words: malaphor. It's when you combine two metaphors or aphorisms. Enjoy!
One of my favorite characters in the entire series.
Only thing that bugged me is how he speaks with a cockney accent and sound nothing like someone from Manchester, but meh. He was brilliantly written and portrayed, wish we’d seen more of him.
I’ve always wondered how one family from Manchester ended up with so many different accents. To my American ears, Simon doesn’t sound much like Daphne, none of the brothers sound anything alike- especially the unintelligible one- and Mr. Moon doesn’t sound anything like any of his kids. The only accents that sound relatively close to me are Gertrude and Daphne. How does that happen lol?
You’d think Jane Leeves or some of the other English actors would have said something.
Most of the Moon actors are English or Scottish. Frankly I'm surprised they couldn't (or didn't want to) pull off a decent Manchester accent.
I think they probably figured most Americans wouldn't notice or care.
Considering I've seen the entire series like 10 times and I had no idea it was an issue, I'd say they were right.
This is the correct answer. It was an American show made for American audiences who, for the most part, would have no idea or any particular care that the accents weren't authentic.
But the actors playing them were (Simon aside) Brits who knew the show was very popular back home.
There were two actors that could do the accent, three that couldn't, and one that made a better one (Robbie Coltrane).
It was my thought that they casted so many different accents so we would differentiate between the family members instead of thinking of them collectively.
I've heard this before...but never real thought about it. I think all of the other Moon family members have more of a typical Manchester accent. Although Michael (played by Scottish actor Robbie Coltrane) has that crazy, muddled accent that I think is closer to a Birmingham or even a Black Country accent.
Either way, I've always thought Daphne's family members were some of the best characters in the show.
I like him too.
I love his voice lmao. The way he says Winnebago cracks me up every time
Roz, are you still producing?
*smacks ass* - you bet she is!
I'm with you. I thought Simon was hilarious. He was a great foil for Frasier.
He was such a ridiculous, hot mess, and Anthony played him so well! (Maybe it helps if you already like the actor.)
He’s hilarious during the wedding episodes. I cannot imagine those without him.
Great character, so many funny lines, loved seeing him make Frasier infuriated and nearly faint.
Lot of examples, but when Roz says she needs a date and she's desperate, Simon comes into the room strutting and says, "Well, well, someone's singing my favorite song."
Also, at Daphne's wedding, he mentions having been by the wishing well. He then dumps a ton of change for his cigarettes on the bar "that should about cover it" and is discreetly wiping his hands dry on the suit backs of (I believe) Frasier and Donny.
He's ok, it's his mother I have the problem with
Now say “Frasier’s in no position to talk, if you get my meaning”
Oh I don’t know, reminds me a lot of my mum who’s from Manchester.
Anthony Lapglia! I met him once on a flight he was really nice and so down to earth. I actually didn't realize he was the lead on another show, without a trace
I liked his character. Did anyone else think he was from Australia when his sister is English? It always sounded like he had an Australian accent. I’m listening.
The actor is in fact Australian 😊
Correct. Saw him in an Australian drama.
"This a job for Braveheart" was all I could hear.
Dang! I was just throwing that out there! I think he was on JAG?
Yep. Anthony LaPaglia. Great actor!
I’m from Manchester and every time I’m in America I get asked if I’m from Australia, so it’s kinda accurate.
I just hear it in his draw
Maybe we just sound Australian when we are drunk or hungover, for the typical guy from Manchester that would be about 75-85% of the time
I remember hearing a misconception(is that the term for it) that Australian accents came about cause all the children learned how to talk from their drunk parents
As good a theory as any other 👍
I genuinely hate simon and now during rewatches, I skip over any episodes with him. cannot stand even a few seconds of him.
Even the brilliant eps such as SBSB? 😱
Hated the character... Actually all of the characters from Daphne's family.
I always liked him. It wasn't until I joined this sub that I learned some people didn't.
It’s not a matter of like or dislike. We detest him.
I absolutely haaaaated the non-Daphne Moons. They were just so unlikable, and I don't remember any of their jokes being funny.
Top 5 cringiest characters on Fraʒ, he moves about in that 5 depending on the day. (ʒ is the international symbol for "zh," the sound made when we shorten Frasier to the nickname Frazh)
Also, my top five - and my other philosophical views about the show - changes as I watch and get older. I'm evolving, I guess - because Poppy used to be in the top 5, but now isn't.
I thought he was a pretty bad addition to the cast and the whole final season was poor.
There, I said it.
I couldn't stand him. Sounded nothing like he was from Manchester either. Seemed like he belonged in a different, terrible show. But each to their own!
Of all the character actors from Daphne’s family, Simon was the best! I never liked her mother and wish she wouldn’t have lingered around as much as she did on the show. I would have much rather had Simon pop in every now and then for a visit. The actor did a great job playing him
I’m glad I’m not the only one who thought they missed the Mark on that one. You could tell they were kind of hard up writing for Gertrude as her story lines were pretty pointless. Getting in a fight with a kid, working at the cafe, and the only good plot was when she slept with the artist and the chandler fell
He’s ace! I love all of Daphne’s brothers.
He was tiresome & not remotely funny.
He is one of my favorite characters!
Pretty sure he internationally used as ‘how not to write a character for tv’.
Daphne’s family is the one storyline I didn’t like, I skip most of those episodes or fast forward every time I rewatch the series.
In contention for least favorite character
I like him.
Didn’t like his original introduction, mostly because he was around so much. But I found myself laughing at him later in the show when he’d just come in for a scene or two.
I personally thought Kirby was a funnier foil for Frasier.
I loved him. His accent or any other on the show never bothered me. Anthony is a brilliant actor and played Simon so well!
I love that none of the actors who play her brothers are actually English.
Wasn't Richard E. Grant one of her brothers at the inn the night before her wedding? ETA: He is half-English. I guess that half-counts...
Haha, yes he was born and raised in Swaziland.
Frasier and Niles could only hope to amass the level of absolute panache this man commands
despise him, find him and the episodes in which he is invoked atrocious, but as a guy that likes funny voices, he's hilarious, and his inflection makes him worth watching
I really liked him in Without a Trace.
2002 - 2009
Nope! Absolutely detested him and he brung the show to a halt. No real character development, no point of him even being there, just all out annoying. Hated him
The worst. Feels like his character should be in something like Two and a Half Men (which I hate) instead of Frasier.
The only character I really couldn't stand. Just too annoying and over-the-top, and just not funny. I feel as if he made every episode he was in worse.
One of the funniest characters of the whole series. Absolutely hilarious!
Series low point. Like not a bad character and not terrible episodes, but it marked the point where Fraiser as a show fell off a cliff.
Both the Moon's who come in late grow om me. Gertrude is intolerable at the beginning when the storyline is focused one her more but as she becomes almost a tertiary character she becomes a vehicle for some fantastic jokes. The prank war with the kid in the building is one of my favourite Gertrude parts.
Simon is meant to be a nuisance and LaPaglia plays it so brilliantly.
I hated his character.
i saw a lot of people putting him down on their list of most annoying characters. that surprised me. i get it, if i knew him in real life i probably wouldnt want him around. But as a character, i think he's hilarious. especially having gotten into british football as ive gotten older, simon is such a great stereotype of the typical hooligan type, it makes it even funnier.
The issue I think most people have is that Fraiser was a pretty nuanced show for a good chunk of it's early run. By season 7 it was, as you note, drawing more on uninteresting stereotypes.
Those aren't actually very witty, and dragged the whole show down.
I loved this character.
If you're someone that hates him, just focus not on him but on what he brings out in the other characters.
How he gets under Frasier's skin is hilarious.
It's the dodgy accent that turns me right off.
I thought it was cheap humor and not really very funny. No where near the quality of most of the rest of the show.
Sort of. It's really hard to like that accent.
I’m probably the only one here who wanted a Niles and Daphne spin-off featuring the entire Moon family. Her mother was totally my aunt Jackie. The brothers were hilarious. They were written to be loathed.
Worst character in my opinion. Took away from the show
Nope, that accent grated so much I couldn’t get past it...
I thought he was a weak link. It never rang true from his dubious accent to his so called boorish behaviour. It was a character not as rounded as others on this otherwise excellent show
My first experience with Anthony LaPaglia was in Empire Records, and then Gone Without a Trace, both roles where he plays a much more stogy, no-nonsense, never-smiling kinda guy, so this role is obviously a lot different. I think I personally like him better in those roles. He's pretty obnoxious as Simon.
I know this is an unpopular opinion, but I’m with you! To me, even though he was an ass he was also super funny, so I really liked it when he was on!
Love the actor, couldn’t stand the character. Makes me fast forward through it.
Simon and Daphnes mother were my least favorite characters. However, its an all star cast and someone hast to be less than stellar. The actor who plays Simon is a solid performer and I've enjoyed his roles in other movies. So I married an axe murderer being a good example. Its hard to love a bad guy, and if people didn't like Simon, he did a good job. :)
I loved him!!
I disliked the whole Moon clan, except Daphne, obviously.
I thought he was a great character. I really loved everything about him: the accent, his sleaziness, how much he butted heads with Frasier, how well he got along with Martin, etc. I know it’s not a popular opinion, but I think every scene he was in was better because he was in it. He might be my fourth favorite character behind the Frasier, Niles and Martin.
Yes! I loved him!
I liked his lovable honesty, but the overly drunken character trait not so much.
As someone who drinks more than he perhaps should, if I ever get to that kind of state I hope someone slaps me in the face.
This looks like a job for Braveheart
Always reminded me of a drunken Nigel Marvin for some reason
Simon was tolerable in his first appearance. After that, he was a right pain in the ass. It would've been more fun if we had met Daphne's brother Billy, since she mentioned him so often during the series.
Absolutely. Love his chunky accent.
I liked him til I saw him too much, then hated him
In the top 5 definitely,
Here’s the list
#5 Simon Moon -
#4 The Ice Queen cometh -
#3 The Coyote -
#2 The one from planet Rozniac -
#1 FRASIER CRA….. just kidding, his dad 😉😜😛
I despised him.
I do lol And I love Daphne's parents. They're all weird and messed up but ultimately good at heart.
Unlikeable character with an atrocious accent. In the bin
I hated him haha.
Love him, Anthony LaPaglia does a great job portraying a lout, especially considering his hard-nose role in Without a Trace
One of my top 2 least favourite characters in the Entire series.
I tend to skip episodes with him and Daphne's mother. I don't find him funny, just annoying.
The worst accent of all time. They should have just parked a truck full of money at Noel and Liam Gallagher's house and just made them Daphne's brothers.
One thing that did irritate me about him is why he has a completely different UK accent to the rest of his family?
Why is everyone else Mancunian, yet he's a Dick van Dyke attempt at a cockney? Surely Jane Leeves (actually being British) pointed this out to someone during filming?